Chinese "immersion" outside of school hours

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Host an "EduCare" au pair through one of the agencies that offers the 30-hour a week option and recruits extensively from China, e.g Go Au Pair in Utah.

That sounds expensive.

About $30,000 a year. For that you get child care no more than 30 hours a week.

Au pair must live in, and you must provide a bedroom and private bath.

Nowhere near 30K a year; our EduCare au pair runs us half that. You can even host au pairs on J-1 visas just for the summer. The au pair's bedroom can be small, and State Dept. rules don't mandate a private bath. Our au pairs share a bathroom with the family. Au pairs are totally worth it if you're serious about immersion.

[Anonymous]

Is headache allowance included?

[Anonymous]

No, the headache allowance kicks in later. It hits when you're confronted with the reality that your teen's spoke Chinese isn't too hot (despite 15 years in immersion) and they're no longer motivated to study the language because they don't know actual Chinese people who aren't teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, the headache allowance kicks in later. It hits when you're confronted with the reality that your teen's spoke Chinese isn't too hot (despite 15 years in immersion) and they're no longer motivated to study the language because they don't know actual Chinese people who aren't teachers.

Sounds like projection from a bitter heritage parent.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like reality to me.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Regardless, I don't have room in my house nor $15,000-30,000/yr for that.

[Anonymous]

You might want to consider hiring somebody else's Chinese au pair to hang out with your children speaking Chinese on a regular basis - going to playgrounds, parks, local festivals, museums etc. Our au pairs have often moonlighted for YY families who can't afford au pairs, and/or don't have a bedroom for them. They get paid around $12/ hour for the babysitting/tutoring. Sometimes other kids join our children for paid brush stroke painting sessions and other types of paid playdates (where our au pair supervises 3 or 4 little kids, none of the conversation in English).

Chinese au pairs who don't work for families with babies or toddlers tend are usually looking for more paid hours under the table.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like reality to me.

Yeah, because those 15 years of Chinese won't make a difference at Uni or later in life.

You're so bitter, heritage dad. So bitter. Be careful that the chip on your shoulder doesn't completely disfigure your children the way it has done to you.

[Anonymous]

I posted sounds like reality and I immigrated to the US from Southeast Asia. You sound obsessed/paranoid/jealous of heritage parents. Please start your own thread to bash 'em.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted sounds like reality and I immigrated to the US from Southeast Asia. You sound obsessed/paranoid/jealous of heritage parents. Please start your own thread to bash 'em.

No, you just sound new. You're unused to the history of this particular beef on this forum.

There's a heritage dad who is bitter that a certain Chinese Immersion charter school won't changes its policies to allow preference for Chinese-speaking children. There are certain members of the school's community who'd be fine with it and others who would not. Either way, it does not matter because in Washington DC, offering preference based on language ability is against the law. Period. End of story.

Despite having been told a thousand times, Heritage Dad is bitter and feels the need to bring it up at every possible opportunity. He's a drain on resources. One definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. That's Heritage Dad.

[Anonymous]

Maybe your school? Janney has Mandarin 2x a week after school for an hour each. It's convenient and immersion but may not be as intensive as you like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted sounds like reality and I immigrated to the US from Southeast Asia. You sound obsessed/paranoid/jealous of heritage parents. Please start your own thread to bash 'em.

No, you just sound new. You're unused to the history of this particular beef on this forum.

There's a heritage dad who is bitter that a certain Chinese Immersion charter school won't changes its policies to allow preference for Chinese-speaking children. There are certain members of the school's community who'd be fine with it and others who would not. Either way, it does not matter because in Washington DC, offering preference based on language ability is against the law. Period. End of story.

Despite having been told a thousand times, Heritage Dad is bitter and feels the need to bring it up at every possible opportunity. He's a drain on resources. One definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. That's Heritage Dad.

Ignore this poster.

Every time any pp criticizes YY for any reason they're "heritage mom" or "heritage dad" with nothing to add. Go away, knee jerk YY booster.

Yes, exactly, a definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. I'm not a native speaker of any language but English, but even I can see that language immersion schools need lotteries for native speakers and native speaking admins (like Oyster) to get good results. The point has been made that the immersion charters could lobby to get the law tweaked.

OP, unless an after-school program has native speaking kids in classes/study group who are required to speak only Mandarin, sorry, but it's not immersion. It may be fun and useful, but it's not immersion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted sounds like reality and I immigrated to the US from Southeast Asia. You sound obsessed/paranoid/jealous of heritage parents. Please start your own thread to bash 'em.

No, you just sound new. You're unused to the history of this particular beef on this forum.

There's a heritage dad who is bitter that a certain Chinese Immersion charter school won't changes its policies to allow preference for Chinese-speaking children. There are certain members of the school's community who'd be fine with it and others who would not. Either way, it does not matter because in Washington DC, offering preference based on language ability is against the law. Period. End of story.

Despite having been told a thousand times, Heritage Dad is bitter and feels the need to bring it up at every possible opportunity. He's a drain on resources. One definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. That's Heritage Dad.

Ignore this poster.

Every time any pp criticizes YY for any reason they're "heritage mom" or "heritage dad" with nothing to add. Go away, knee jerk YY booster.

Yes, exactly, a definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. I'm not a native speaker of any language but English, but even I can see that language immersion schools need lotteries for native speakers and native speaking admins (like Oyster) to get good results. The point has been made that the immersion charters could lobby to get the law tweaked.

OP, unless an after-school program has native speaking kids in classes/study group who are required to speak only Mandarin, sorry, but it's not immersion. It may be fun and useful, but it's not immersion.

Good luck with that. DC has an Asian population of 1% most of whom do not speak Mandarin, work as school admins and/or are elementary school aged children. So where are all these native Mandarin speaking 3/4 yr olds coming from? They have to be residents of DC not Rockville, MARYLAND. Oh that's right, Cantonese speaking children should get preference and maybe even kids who don't speak Mandarin but are of Chinese heritage. It's ridiculous. Preferential admissions based on nationality, race, language, etc. are illegal for charters.

Oyster is DCPS and not a charter... And there is a sizable native Spanish speaking population in DC unlike Mandarin speakers. If you want to be surrounded by native Mandarin speakers, move to Rockville. Bye!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted sounds like reality and I immigrated to the US from Southeast Asia. You sound obsessed/paranoid/jealous of heritage parents. Please start your own thread to bash 'em.

No, you just sound new. You're unused to the history of this particular beef on this forum.

There's a heritage dad who is bitter that a certain Chinese Immersion charter school won't changes its policies to allow preference for Chinese-speaking children. There are certain members of the school's community who'd be fine with it and others who would not. Either way, it does not matter because in Washington DC, offering preference based on language ability is against the law. Period. End of story.

Despite having been told a thousand times, Heritage Dad is bitter and feels the need to bring it up at every possible opportunity. He's a drain on resources. One definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. That's Heritage Dad.

Ignore this poster.

Every time any pp criticizes YY for any reason they're "heritage mom" or "heritage dad" with nothing to add. Go away, knee jerk YY booster.

Yes, exactly, a definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. I'm not a native speaker of any language but English, but even I can see that language immersion schools need lotteries for native speakers and native speaking admins (like Oyster) to get good results. The point has been made that the immersion charters could lobby to get the law tweaked.

OP, unless an after-school program has native speaking kids in classes/study group who are required to speak only Mandarin, sorry, but it's not immersion. It may be fun and useful, but it's not immersion.

Good luck with that. DC has an Asian population of 1% most of whom do not speak Mandarin, work as school admins and/or are elementary school aged children. So where are all these native Mandarin speaking 3/4 yr olds coming from? They have to be residents of DC not Rockville, MARYLAND. Oh that's right, Cantonese speaking children should get preference and maybe even kids who don't speak Mandarin but are of Chinese heritage. It's ridiculous. Preferential admissions based on nationality, race, language, etc. are illegal for charters.

Oyster is DCPS and not a charter... And there is a sizable native Spanish speaking population in DC unlike Mandarin speakers. If you want to be surrounded by native Mandarin speakers, move to Rockville. Bye!

It's more than that, Oyster was created by a special grant over 30 years ago. Obviously no charter can hold separate lotteries or admissions policies for different language speakers (LAMB got away with it for a long time, but that's been shut down). Other than Oyster, DCPS can't either. That's why most of the Spanish-Immersion DCPS schools are in neighborhoods where the schools are terrible and there's a high Spanish-speaking population. Magnet schools are a quiet form of reverse-bussing and they work. But there is no preference for language-speaking. You can't exactly recreate that model with Chinese in DC due to the low ethnically Chinese population. If you want that kind of cultural or linguistic preference, PP is correct: move to Rockville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted sounds like reality and I immigrated to the US from Southeast Asia. You sound obsessed/paranoid/jealous of heritage parents. Please start your own thread to bash 'em.

No, you just sound new. You're unused to the history of this particular beef on this forum.

There's a heritage dad who is bitter that a certain Chinese Immersion charter school won't changes its policies to allow preference for Chinese-speaking children. There are certain members of the school's community who'd be fine with it and others who would not. Either way, it does not matter because in Washington DC, offering preference based on language ability is against the law. Period. End of story.

Despite having been told a thousand times, Heritage Dad is bitter and feels the need to bring it up at every possible opportunity. He's a drain on resources. One definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. That's Heritage Dad.

Ignore this poster.

Every time any pp criticizes YY for any reason they're "heritage mom" or "heritage dad" with nothing to add. Go away, knee jerk YY booster.

Yes, exactly, a definition of crazy is doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting results. I'm not a native speaker of any language but English, but even I can see that language immersion schools need lotteries for native speakers and native speaking admins (like Oyster) to get good results. The point has been made that the immersion charters could lobby to get the law tweaked.

OP, unless an after-school program has native speaking kids in classes/study group who are required to speak only Mandarin, sorry, but it's not immersion. It may be fun and useful, but it's not immersion.

Good luck with that. DC has an Asian population of 1% most of whom do not speak Mandarin, work as school admins and/or are elementary school aged children. So where are all these native Mandarin speaking 3/4 yr olds coming from? They have to be residents of DC not Rockville, MARYLAND. Oh that's right, Cantonese speaking children should get preference and maybe even kids who don't speak Mandarin but are of Chinese heritage. It's ridiculous. Preferential admissions based on nationality, race, language, etc. are illegal for charters.

Oyster is DCPS and not a charter... And there is a sizable native Spanish speaking population in DC unlike Mandarin speakers. If you want to be surrounded by native Mandarin speakers, move to Rockville. Bye!

It's more than that, Oyster was created by a special grant over 30 years ago. Obviously no charter can hold separate lotteries or admissions policies for different language speakers (LAMB got away with it for a long time, but that's been shut down). Other than Oyster, DCPS can't either. That's why most of the Spanish-Immersion DCPS schools are in neighborhoods where the schools are terrible and there's a high Spanish-speaking population. Magnet schools are a quiet form of reverse-bussing and they work. But there is no preference for language-speaking. You can't exactly recreate that model with Chinese in DC due to the low ethnically Chinese population. If you want that kind of cultural or linguistic preference, PP is correct: move to Rockville.

Not true. There are now separate English dominant and Spanish dominant lotteries for the following DCPS schools:

Bancroft
Bruce Monroe
Cleveland
Houston
Marie Reed
Powell
Tyler

You are right they are not allowed at any charter school.