Chinese "immersion" outside of school hours

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, the best Chinese speaking kids in the city are growing up in Chinese-speaking immigrant, guest worker and diplomatic families.

What I see happening at YY is that once the current principal moves on, a new hire who is fluent in Mandarin will make many changes. The changes will include more emphasis on kids learning to understand and speak everyday Chinese, and less emphasis on writing and grammar. The new head will work to draw in more native speaking families. As a result more will come and dialect transition support will creep in. I see this happening in 5-10 years.

None of whom are competing with YY kids. The vast majority of immigrants and guest workers only work in DC and actually live in the suburbs. Isn't that what the whole "there are no authentic Chinese-speaking kids!" bitch is about? They don't live in DC, but you can find them in the suburbs. Go there if that is what you want.) The diplomatic families are few, and only attend private schools, anyway.

In other words, your points - lame as they are - are moot.

Problem is, they will be likely wind up competing with YY kids in applying to college, and life beyond.

When top YY students apply to elite colleges--many will--they will be competing with the Rockville immersion kids who went on to Herbert Hoover middle school for partial immersion Chinese, then Richard Montgomery, Rockville HS or Bethesda Chevy Chase for IB Diploma Chinese.


No, likely not. These are very different social strata and spheres.

I don't see YY students enrolling at either Northern Virginia Community College or the University of Beijing.

When DCI seniors apply to elite colleges--most surely will--their applications will be tossed into the same digial application stacks as those of other applicants from the DC Metro Area who've studied AP or International Baccalaureate Chinese.

By my count, more than two dozen high schools (both public and private) within 20 miles of Walter Reed offer advanced Chinese classes. One or two new programs come on board every year. DCI seniors who aren't FARMs can't expect special treatment in admissions for having studied Chinese for many years. They will need to score high on HS standardized tests for Chinese, particularly, on listening comprehension and spoken components, to get good mileage out of their immersion studies.

This is one reason many YY families host Chinese au pairs, or hire those hosted by other families to speak Chinese with their children. They're looking ahead.

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Looks like a position in favor of Yu Ying.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, the best Chinese speaking kids in the city are growing up in Chinese-speaking immigrant, guest worker and diplomatic families.

What I see happening at YY is that once the current principal moves on, a new hire who is fluent in Mandarin will make many changes. The changes will include more emphasis on kids learning to understand and speak everyday Chinese, and less emphasis on writing and grammar. The new head will work to draw in more native speaking families. As a result more will come and dialect transition support will creep in. I see this happening in 5-10 years.

None of whom are competing with YY kids. The vast majority of immigrants and guest workers only work in DC and actually live in the suburbs. Isn't that what the whole "there are no authentic Chinese-speaking kids!" bitch is about? They don't live in DC, but you can find them in the suburbs. Go there if that is what you want.) The diplomatic families are few, and only attend private schools, anyway.

In other words, your points - lame as they are - are moot.

Problem is, they will be likely wind up competing with YY kids in applying to college, and life beyond.

When top YY students apply to elite colleges--many will--they will be competing with the Rockville immersion kids who went on to Herbert Hoover middle school for partial immersion Chinese, then Richard Montgomery, Rockville HS or Bethesda Chevy Chase for IB Diploma Chinese.


No, likely not. These are very different social strata and spheres.

I don't see YY students enrolling at either Northern Virginia Community College or the University of Beijing.

When DCI seniors apply to elite colleges--most surely will--their applications will be tossed into the same digial application stacks as those of other applicants from the DC Metro Area who've studied AP or International Baccalaureate Chinese.

By my count, more than two dozen high schools (both public and private) within 20 miles of Walter Reed offer advanced Chinese classes. One or two new programs come on board every year. DCI seniors who aren't FARMs can't expect special treatment in admissions for having studied Chinese for many years. They will need to score high on HS standardized tests for Chinese, particularly, on listening comprehension and spoken components, to get good mileage out of their immersion studies.

This is one reason many YY families host Chinese au pairs, or hire those hosted by other families to speak Chinese with their children. They're looking ahead.

No they will not.

School is 53% economically disadvantaged. PARCC proficiency is dismal. The demographics of YY =/= the demographics of DCI.

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, the best Chinese speaking kids in the city are growing up in Chinese-speaking immigrant, guest worker and diplomatic families.

What I see happening at YY is that once the current principal moves on, a new hire who is fluent in Mandarin will make many changes. The changes will include more emphasis on kids learning to understand and speak everyday Chinese, and less emphasis on writing and grammar. The new head will work to draw in more native speaking families. As a result more will come and dialect transition support will creep in. I see this happening in 5-10 years.

None of whom are competing with YY kids. The vast majority of immigrants and guest workers only work in DC and actually live in the suburbs. Isn't that what the whole "there are no authentic Chinese-speaking kids!" bitch is about? They don't live in DC, but you can find them in the suburbs. Go there if that is what you want.) The diplomatic families are few, and only attend private schools, anyway.

In other words, your points - lame as they are - are moot.

Problem is, they will be likely wind up competing with YY kids in applying to college, and life beyond.

When top YY students apply to elite colleges--many will--they will be competing with the Rockville immersion kids who went on to Herbert Hoover middle school for partial immersion Chinese, then Richard Montgomery, Rockville HS or Bethesda Chevy Chase for IB Diploma Chinese.


No, likely not. These are very different social strata and spheres.

I don't see YY students enrolling at either Northern Virginia Community College or the University of Beijing.

When DCI seniors apply to elite colleges--most surely will--their applications will be tossed into the same digial application stacks as those of other applicants from the DC Metro Area who've studied AP or International Baccalaureate Chinese.

By my count, more than two dozen high schools (both public and private) within 20 miles of Walter Reed offer advanced Chinese classes. One or two new programs come on board every year. DCI seniors who aren't FARMs can't expect special treatment in admissions for having studied Chinese for many years. They will need to score high on HS standardized tests for Chinese, particularly, on listening comprehension and spoken components, to get good mileage out of their immersion studies.

This is one reason many YY families host Chinese au pairs, or hire those hosted by other families to speak Chinese with their children. They're looking ahead.

No they will not.

School is 53% economically disadvantaged. PARCC proficiency is dismal. The demographics of YY =/= the demographics of DCI.

DCI is comprised of five schools, plus lottery winners. The YY portion is not economically disadvantaged and their PARCC performance is as good as any other school in the city.

Your attempt to bring DCI into the argument (because you failed against Yu Ying) only proves the weakness of your point.

It stands that the best way to learn MANDARIN Chinese it at Yu Ying. It is further suggested that if the facts drive you crazy? You need medication or to take your unhappy Cantonese self to the suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

OMG! How self-absorbed are you? Who cares how well your Spanish-immersion children speak Chinese??

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Anonymous wrote:Uh, the best Chinese speaking kids in the city are growing up in Chinese-speaking immigrant, guest worker and diplomatic families.

What I see happening at YY is that once the current principal moves on, a new hire who is fluent in Mandarin will make many changes. The changes will include more emphasis on kids learning to understand and speak everyday Chinese, and less emphasis on writing and grammar. The new head will work to draw in more native speaking families. As a result more will come and dialect transition support will creep in. I see this happening in 5-10 years.

None of whom are competing with YY kids. The vast majority of immigrants and guest workers only work in DC and actually live in the suburbs. Isn't that what the whole "there are no authentic Chinese-speaking kids!" bitch is about? They don't live in DC, but you can find them in the suburbs. Go there if that is what you want.) The diplomatic families are few, and only attend private schools, anyway.

In other words, your points - lame as they are - are moot.

Problem is, they will be likely wind up competing with YY kids in applying to college, and life beyond.

When top YY students apply to elite colleges--many will--they will be competing with the Rockville immersion kids who went on to Herbert Hoover middle school for partial immersion Chinese, then Richard Montgomery, Rockville HS or Bethesda Chevy Chase for IB Diploma Chinese.


No, likely not. These are very different social strata and spheres.

I don't see YY students enrolling at either Northern Virginia Community College or the University of Beijing.

When DCI seniors apply to elite colleges--most surely will--their applications will be tossed into the same digial application stacks as those of other applicants from the DC Metro Area who've studied AP or International Baccalaureate Chinese.

By my count, more than two dozen high schools (both public and private) within 20 miles of Walter Reed offer advanced Chinese classes. One or two new programs come on board every year. DCI seniors who aren't FARMs can't expect special treatment in admissions for having studied Chinese for many years. They will need to score high on HS standardized tests for Chinese, particularly, on listening comprehension and spoken components, to get good mileage out of their immersion studies.

This is one reason many YY families host Chinese au pairs, or hire those hosted by other families to speak Chinese with their children. They're looking ahead.

No they will not.

School is 53% economically disadvantaged. PARCC proficiency is dismal. The demographics of YY =/= the demographics of DCI.

DCI is comprised of five schools, plus lottery winners. The YY portion is not economically disadvantaged and their PARCC performance is as good as any other school in the city.

Your attempt to bring DCI into the argument (because you failed against Yu Ying) only proves the weakness of your point.

It stands that the best way to learn MANDARIN Chinese it at Yu Ying. It is further suggested that if the facts drive you crazy? You need medication or to take your unhappy Cantonese self to the suburbs.

Um I"m a new poster - and my kids aren't learning chineses at YY or elsewhere.

But the fact remains that above it was stated that MOST DCI students -- not YY alums -- will apply to elite colleges. That's just not true -- especially given that there's a vocational track to the high school.

I also know quite a few YY families with 2nd-4th graders, and all are way more concerned about the academic preparedness of potential DCI classmates than they are with the quality of the mandarin.

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

OMG! How self-absorbed are you? Who cares how well your Spanish-immersion children speak Chinese??

You're missing the point. She is a wannabe Kardashian. Attention is her life blood. Even if it is negative. Even if it is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

Really? Why would anyone think a Spanish school is the best when there are French and Chinese and Hebrew schools? Everyone knows that those are much harder.

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Am I the only one who thinks there's something strange about a Spanish Immersion mom who can't figure out how to STFU by the 8th page of a CHINESE Immersion thread?

Is her butt not big enough to generate attention in her own community so she needs to insert herself elsewhere?

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

Yes, it can. Even for the very highest caste Indians (Brahmins) English is still a second language.

No, it really can't. Even Hindi is a 2nd language for a large portion of the country, but that doesn't mean a typical American and a typical Indian learning Hindi is the same thing. Most Indians you have talked to have been surrounded by English in a way that is incomparable to how Americans would be exposed to Chinese. Indian English is a dialect!

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

Really? Why would anyone think a Spanish school is the best when there are French and Chinese and Hebrew schools? Everyone knows that those are much harder.

So is your litmus test is which language is more difficult to learn? That's...odd. I want my children to learn second (and more) languages that are the most practical. Objectively speaking, Spanish is the most practical language to learn if you live in the U.S.--unless your career demands specialized knowledge of another language (very unusual). What in the world would they do with Hebrew? French? Sounds lovely, but not much use for it in the U.S. day-to-day. I would also prefer that my children speak, read and write Spanish at a near native level as an adult--they are well on their way. Speaking rudimentary and broken mandarin is not how I want my/their efforts rewarded.

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Right. You heard a very biased sample.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Right. You heard a very biased sample.

Interesting. Looks like YY students would be the English-native equivalent of those high-performing foreign students!