Chinese "immersion" outside of school hours

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Right. You heard a very biased sample.

Interesting. Looks like YY students would be the English-native equivalent of those high-performing foreign students!

The ones that enrolled in a Chinese university... yes they probably would...

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

Really? Why would anyone think a Spanish school is the best when there are French and Chinese and Hebrew schools? Everyone knows that those are much harder.

So is your litmus test is which language is more difficult to learn? That's...odd. I want my children to learn second (and more) languages that are the most practical. Objectively speaking, Spanish is the most practical language to learn if you live in the U.S.--unless your career demands specialized knowledge of another language (very unusual). What in the world would they do with Hebrew? French? Sounds lovely, but not much use for it in the U.S. day-to-day. I would also prefer that my children speak, read and write Spanish at a near native level as an adult--they are well on their way. Speaking rudimentary and broken mandarin is not how I want my/their efforts rewarded.

It's hardly my litmus test, but Spanish is simple. That's...obvious. Anyone who can learn a complex second language, can learn an easy one. It really goes without saying.

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Posters have lost the forest for the trees.

The point has been made that high-flying DCI students who learned whatever language via ES immersion must compete with other high-flying, language-learning DC Metro area students for admission to elite colleges. Like it or not, their applications will go into the same pots as those of competitors who have been enrolled dual immersion K-12th grade language programs in the area. It's a fair point.

If you enroll your child in immersion language studies but avoid native speaking families as a general rule (because you think the parents are racist jerks), you cut off your nose to spite your face in the process. In the last analysis, the joke is on your family, not the native speakers.

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Out of curiosity, beside Richard Montgomery and DCI what high schools offer higher level Chinese courses?

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

Really? Why would anyone think a Spanish school is the best when there are French and Chinese and Hebrew schools? Everyone knows that those are much harder.

So is your litmus test is which language is more difficult to learn? That's...odd. I want my children to learn second (and more) languages that are the most practical. Objectively speaking, Spanish is the most practical language to learn if you live in the U.S.--unless your career demands specialized knowledge of another language (very unusual). What in the world would they do with Hebrew? French? Sounds lovely, but not much use for it in the U.S. day-to-day. I would also prefer that my children speak, read and write Spanish at a near native level as an adult--they are well on their way. Speaking rudimentary and broken mandarin is not how I want my/their efforts rewarded.

If you think Spanish is so great, good for you, but why are you so desperate on a thread for families whose kids are learning Chinese? You are irrelevant to the topic, (and many of us have no respect for you anyway, but that is another subject).

If anything, you are only making your cause look worse. What is wrong with you that you need attention, even when the topic isn't related to you?

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Anonymous wrote:Posters have lost the forest for the trees.

The point has been made that high-flying DCI students who learned whatever language via ES immersion must compete with other high-flying, language-learning DC Metro area students for admission to elite colleges. Like it or not, their applications will go into the same pots as those of competitors who have been enrolled dual immersion K-12th grade language programs in the area. It's a fair point.

If you enroll your child in immersion language studies but avoid native speaking families as a general rule (because you think the parents are racist jerks), you cut off your nose to spite your face in the process. In the last analysis, the joke is on your family, not the native speakers.

No, the evidence is that you'll be fine. The Finnish, Japanese, Czechs, Germans, Koreans, etc. are ready to prove it to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters have lost the forest for the trees.

The point has been made that high-flying DCI students who learned whatever language via ES immersion must compete with other high-flying, language-learning DC Metro area students for admission to elite colleges. Like it or not, their applications will go into the same pots as those of competitors who have been enrolled dual immersion K-12th grade language programs in the area. It's a fair point.

If you enroll your child in immersion language studies but avoid native speaking families as a general rule (because you think the parents are racist jerks), you cut off your nose to spite your face in the process. In the last analysis, the joke is on your family, not the native speakers.

I agree this has been taken over by tangents... but there are other reasons for thoroughly learning languages than college admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters have lost the forest for the trees.

The point has been made that high-flying DCI students who learned whatever language via ES immersion must compete with other high-flying, language-learning DC Metro area students for admission to elite colleges. Like it or not, their applications will go into the same pots as those of competitors who have been enrolled dual immersion K-12th grade language programs in the area. It's a fair point.

If you enroll your child in immersion language studies but avoid native speaking families as a general rule (because you think the parents are racist jerks), you cut off your nose to spite your face in the process. In the last analysis, the joke is on your family, not the native speakers.

If you think that my Chinese-speaking AA kid who graduates from a DC public high school is going in the same admissions bucket as your heritage kid from Montgomery County, then you don't understand how college admissions work.

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

Really? Why would anyone think a Spanish school is the best when there are French and Chinese and Hebrew schools? Everyone knows that those are much harder.

So is your litmus test is which language is more difficult to learn? That's...odd. I want my children to learn second (and more) languages that are the most practical. Objectively speaking, Spanish is the most practical language to learn if you live in the U.S.--unless your career demands specialized knowledge of another language (very unusual). What in the world would they do with Hebrew? French? Sounds lovely, but not much use for it in the U.S. day-to-day. I would also prefer that my children speak, read and write Spanish at a near native level as an adult--they are well on their way. Speaking rudimentary and broken mandarin is not how I want my/their efforts rewarded.

It's hardly my litmus test, but Spanish is simple. That's...obvious. Anyone who can learn a complex second language, can learn an easy one. It really goes without saying.

It's so simple that I know American ex-pats who lived in Spanish speaking countries for up to a year and never became fluent. They only spent their time around other Americans. I also know children who were raised in Spanish speaking homes who cannot read or write the language. There are also many children who attended immersion schools for years, left after 2nd or 3rd grade, and lost the ability to speak the language after less than one year. Becoming bilingual and biliterate in Spanish is so easy that everyone in America is doing so...wait.

As someone mentioned upthread: I would rather my child speak, read and write (super easy) Spanish at a near-native level; than speak, read and write Mandarin at an 8-year-olds level--after study it for 7 or 8 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, beside Richard Montgomery and DCI what high schools offer higher level Chinese courses?

Wilson, WIS and Sidwell for starters.

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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, beside Richard Montgomery and DCI what high schools offer higher level Chinese courses?

Wilson, WIS and Sidwell for starters.

And which among these offer Mandarin for public elementary school students?

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Anonymous wrote:In India, students learn English via one-way. In Japan, students learn English via one-way. In South Korea, students learn English via one-way. In Finland, students learn English via one-way. In Germany, students learn English via one-way. In the Czech Republic, students learn English via one-way. All over Europe, Asia, South America, and Africa, students learn English via one-way instruction. And millions of it learn it very well. Some of them learn it well enough to take your job.

Obviously. Obviously language can be very successfully learned via one-way instruction.

The YY kids are fortunate that they're being taught by native speakers, which is an advantage that most language-learners don't have. But if you think it's necessary to recruit Cantonese kids to Yu Ying in order for language instruction to be successful, then you're willfully delusional and you overvalue your snowflake's potential benefit to the class. The school and the students will continue to thrive and be well educated without the Cantonese snowflakes.

India cannot be compared... the country already has a relatively high English fluency, including having their own dialect. Some families actually speak English in the home. Similar statements can be said about many European countries... having more exposure to English and closer language families.

Japan and South Korea are actually perfect examples. And have you heard their typical English speakers? They are not so good. Their reading is much better.

I heard them in grad school. In engineering and finance they will kick your ass.

Engineering? Yes. Finance...not so much. STEM fields value those with a strong quantitative background. However, those with poor English speaking skills will have a hard time advancing in other fields, including finance, which does not only value math skills. Have you ever wondered why (otherwise smart) people with poor English skills don't dominate in American law, politics, finance (Wall Street), etc. They're definitely not kicking anyone's ass in those fields.

You've obviously never heard of Singapore. They have a successful financial industry there. You should look it up.

So do you want your YY-educated child to live in Singapore? I like my children, so I want them to live at least within a few hours drive from me when they are grown. To each his own.

I want my children to have adventures and live wherever they want to.

You don't care about that though, you are just trying to pivot because your argument was crushed.

Crushed? You must not understand the meaning of that word. Discussing the possibility of finance jobs in Singapore and HK are not remotely persuasive. My children, who attend the best immersion school in DC, already have plenty of passport stamps from Spanish speaking countries around the world. More world travel and study abroad are also in their future. I think that we've more than checked the box on "adventures." The difference is that they will (hopefully) live on the east coast, while employed in their chosen profession. No need to seek career opportunities on the other side of the globe, thank goodness.

Really? Why would anyone think a Spanish school is the best when there are French and Chinese and Hebrew schools? Everyone knows that those are much harder.

So is your litmus test is which language is more difficult to learn? That's...odd. I want my children to learn second (and more) languages that are the most practical. Objectively speaking, Spanish is the most practical language to learn if you live in the U.S.--unless your career demands specialized knowledge of another language (very unusual). What in the world would they do with Hebrew? French? Sounds lovely, but not much use for it in the U.S. day-to-day. I would also prefer that my children speak, read and write Spanish at a near native level as an adult--they are well on their way. Speaking rudimentary and broken mandarin is not how I want my/their efforts rewarded.

It's hardly my litmus test, but Spanish is simple. That's...obvious. Anyone who can learn a complex second language, can learn an easy one. It really goes without saying.

It's so simple that I know American ex-pats who lived in Spanish speaking countries for up to a year and never became fluent. They only spent their time around other Americans. I also know children who were raised in Spanish speaking homes who cannot read or write the language. There are also many children who attended immersion schools for years, left after 2nd or 3rd grade, and lost the ability to speak the language after less than one year. Becoming bilingual and biliterate in Spanish is so easy that everyone in America is doing so...wait.

As someone mentioned upthread: I would rather my child speak, read and write (super easy) Spanish at a near-native level; than speak, read and write Mandarin at an 8-year-olds level--after study it for 7 or 8 years.

Why do you keep blabbering on and on and endlessly on about Spanish on a Chinese thread? It's as though you can't even read English. Hablas Ingles?

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Anonymous wrote:Out of curiosity, beside Richard Montgomery and DCI what high schools offer higher level Chinese courses?

Wilson, WIS and Sidwell for starters.

And which among these offer Mandarin for public elementary school students?

Reading is fundamental.

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Really? Why would anyone think a Spanish school is the best when there are French and Chinese and Hebrew schools? Everyone knows that those are much harder.

So is your litmus test is which language is more difficult to learn? That's...odd. I want my children to learn second (and more) languages that are the most practical. Objectively speaking, Spanish is the most practical language to learn if you live in the U.S.--unless your career demands specialized knowledge of another language (very unusual). What in the world would they do with Hebrew? French? Sounds lovely, but not much use for it in the U.S. day-to-day. I would also prefer that my children speak, read and write Spanish at a near native level as an adult--they are well on their way. Speaking rudimentary and broken mandarin is not how I want my/their efforts rewarded.



It's hardly my litmus test, but Spanish is simple. That's...obvious. Anyone who can learn a complex second language, can learn an easy one. It really goes without saying.

It's so simple that I know American ex-pats who lived in Spanish speaking countries for up to a year and never became fluent. They only spent their time around other Americans. I also know children who were raised in Spanish speaking homes who cannot read or write the language. There are also many children who attended immersion schools for years, left after 2nd or 3rd grade, and lost the ability to speak the language after less than one year. Becoming bilingual and biliterate in Spanish is so easy that everyone in America is doing so...wait.

As someone mentioned upthread: I would rather my child speak, read and write (super easy) Spanish at a near-native level; than speak, read and write Mandarin at an 8-year-olds level--after study it for 7 or 8 years.


Why do you keep blabbering on and on and endlessly on about Spanish on a Chinese thread? It's as though you can't even read English. Hablas Ingles?

I can comment on any thread I choose. Are you aware of that fact, or do you think that I live in communist China where free speech does not exist? Although your child may be studying the language of Chinese communists, please don't forget that this is the U.S. and we have freedoms here that don't exist in China.

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I can comment on any thread I choose. Are you aware of that fact, or do you think that I live in communist China where free speech does not exist? Although your child may be studying the language of Chinese communists, please don't forget that this is the U.S. and we have freedoms here that don't exist in China.