S/O: Illegal Aliens (For or Against)

[Anonymous]

As I posted on the other thread. I have employed a number of legal immigrants over a span of 10 years. This issue has been discussed a number of times in a number of ways. Not once did a legal immigrant support amnesty or leniency for undocumented workers.

[Anonymous]

How did you family get over here? Show your documentation how your family legally came to the US (unless you are native American).

This is a nonsensical argument. We are now a country and as a country we have laws regarding who can and cannot enter our boarders--like every other country.

[Anonymous]

I posted this on the other forum as well. I am not against immigration, legal or illegal. They are seeking the same opportunities my fore fathers did (who came here before there was a "USA" and therefore no immigration laws). I know that illegal immigration does hurt some - like legal construction workers who don't get hired because they want to be paid more than an illegal. My response? Go into an industry that pays more. Construction work (most of it) is manual labor that requires little skill, and therefore is (and should be) low paying. Illegals also pay many taxes - they rent apartments and homes, so property taxes are paid for through their rent, they pay sales tax on almost everything they buy, gasoline tax... all that is missing is income tax. Most make so little, they wouldn't have any income tax. To get financial assistance, you need a SSN. They don't have one. So more than likely they are not getting any government assistance.

[Anonymous]

Thanks all for the thinly veiled racism

Bull. It has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with respect for the laws of our land.

[Anonymous]

I'm opposed to illegal immigration because I think it's a mistake to have large number of law breakers in the country, and I think it also sets up a lot of negatives for those immigrants.

If it was up to me I would dramatically increase the availability of legal immigration. I would allow all the illegal immigrants to become legal immigrants.

But I would also improve and increase the amount of deportation for non-immigration related crimes, and tighten the borders against immigration of people who had previously been deported.

I'm a believer in the statute of liberty saying about bringing the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, but I hate that in order to do that currently a lot of people break the law. Get rid of that law.

[Anonymous]

against, and for changing automatic birth citizenship to when at least 1 parent is a citizen. No more anchor babies.

[Anonymous]

So many talking points in here. I'm not sure anyone knows what they are saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks all for the thinly veiled racism

Bull. It has nothing to do with racism. It has everything to do with respect for the laws of our land.

Tell me then, do you support a broad guest worker program?

[Anonymous]

No one wants to stop this. It is like speeding. In fact I want more of them here. They have a great can do attitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:against, and for changing automatic birth citizenship to when at least 1 parent is a citizen. No more anchor babies.

Why do you hate the Constitution?

[Anonymous]

What are you going to do? Arrest and deport 11 million people? Good luck with that, let me know how it goes. Oh, how you going to pay for it?

[Anonymous]

Very interesting that the countries that have the most illegal aliens in the US have their own strict laws re: immigration.

All of the arguments about "illegal aliens should have the same opportunities as my forefathers" is BS. The US was being founded. Before the Constitution, there was no concept of illegal immigration. Now America has laws and, tough shit Sherlock, you need to obey them.

I wonder what would happen if I went to Mexico, some countries in Latin America, Asia, Africa, etc and told them I'm here, I'm staying; get used to it? You'd probably never see me alive again.

Another pet peeve: If you're illegal, just how successful are you going to be in America? You can't get higher education and as such, you can never elevate yourself to a level that is that much above poverty. So, all we're really doing is adding millions of people to a life of poverty in the US.

Bullshit that Americans don't want to do the jobs that illegals will. What Americans don't want to do is do it for insulting low wages. What, I should work for $5.00 an hour doing dangerous construction work just because Jose will? No way. Illegals have driven wages so low, that it's pathetic. Those that hire illegals should be forced to leave the US and reside in the country of the employed illegal.

Illegals are also a stain on our healthcare system. They flood emergency rooms and don't pay their bills, forcing some hospitals to close their doors.

Don't get me started on the "anchor baby" BS and the abuse of this loophole to gain access to government assistance.

I really am appalled at the lack of balls the US shows about protecting our borders. Just pathetic.

BTW, I'm black, so let's not make this an issue about not liking "brown people". I like them just fine.....as long as they're legal. I couldn't give a flying fig how good of a person you are..if you're here illegally, you're a criminal and I don't associate with criminals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How did you family get over here? Show your documentation how your family legally came to the US (unless you are native American).

This is a nonsensical argument. We are now a country and as a country we have laws regarding who can and cannot enter our boarders--like every other country.

The Page Act of 1875 is the first act restricting immigration. How long had we been a nation? Almost 100 years. So if your ancestors came here before 1875, there probably is little documentation on them and nothing that states they were authorized to come here. Why don't you look at the history of immigration?
The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 was an explicitly race-based immigration act. Let's here it for racism!
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (or McCarran-Walter Act) somewhat liberalized immigration from Asia, but increased the power of the government to deport illegal immigrants suspected of Communist sympathies.
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 (or Hart-Cellar Act) discontinued quotas based on national origin, while preference was given to those who have U.S. relatives. For the first time Mexican immigration was restricted.

Also look at other devloped nations and how they handle migration. There are certainly many nations with harsher laws than ours, but Austria, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Greece, Canada, New Zealand, Denmark and the Netherlands have less restrictive laws. The only nation on this list with a lower standard of living than the US is Greece.

You need to become a little more educated on immigration before you continue your tirade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one wants to stop this. It is like speeding. In fact I want more of them here. They have a great can do attitude.

They sure do. Especially the MS-13.

[Anonymous]

Crying "racism" every time someone disagrees with your position is counter-prouductive to the real incidences of racism. People can have valid differences of opinion regarding immigration, Obama, etc. based upon policy and laws and race is not a factor. To turn these discussion into default "you're racists" misses the very opportunity to discuss the pros and cons of both positions and shows and intellectual immaturity.