The Great Student Swap

[Anonymous]

In-state at William and Mary costs $43k (tuition, room/board). Likelihood of getting merit is slim if in-state.

OOS at a flagship with merit for my DS is $40k (tuition, room and board). Likelihood of getting merit for OOS is high for students with decent stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you asking why anyone wants to go to a big state school in a different state? It’s not that hard to figure out. Both of my kids want to go out of state. One wants north, one wants south. When we run the numbers, it won’t cost us any different than sending them to a VA state school so it’s no difference to us.

Our one that is a senior now and looking to go south is serious about more sun and better weather. It’s fine with us.

What big state schools charge OOS tuition that's the approximately same as in-state Virginia school tuition? Or are you factoring in merit aid?

Not sure if by “big” you mean flagship or not, but Western Carolina has ~12k students & OOS tuition is about 10-11k/yr. JMU is about 13k/yr in state

If you do mean flagship, then UVAs is annoyingly variable on major & year but let’s say an average of 20k-ish. University of Oklahoma is $23k/yr OOS

I didn’t deep dive to compare total cost of attendance or auto merit scholarships, but VA’s in-state tuition is pretty high compared to many states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the past two decades, though, the University of Alabama has transformed its student body, increasing its share of new out-of-state undergraduates from just twenty-three per cent in 2002 to sixty-five per cent in 2022, according to recent data from the National Center for Education Statistics.

They are offering full rides left and right...that's why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no way you can possibly know this. There is no way anyone has access to any of these complete demographics. This is something fun to talk about but not based on any data.

Know what? Here is data on in and out of state acceptance rates in one table pulled from the CDS:

https://lookerstudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/9ffe2b85-231b-402e-bdf4-84ebaa3a74fe/page/dFARD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Over the past two decades, though, the University of Alabama has transformed its student body, increasing its share of new out-of-state undergraduates from just twenty-three per cent in 2002 to sixty-five per cent in 2022, according to recent data from the National Center for Education Statistics.

Alabama gives free tuition plus stipend plus master’s plus honors college and more to NMF. That probably increases out of state attendance. It wasn’t enough to interest my NMF in going to Alabama, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In-state at William and Mary costs $43k (tuition, room/board). Likelihood of getting merit is slim if in-state.

OOS at a flagship with merit for my DS is $40k (tuition, room and board). Likelihood of getting merit for OOS is high for students with decent stats.

But not a school with comparable academics. You aren’t getting merit at Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you asking why anyone wants to go to a big state school in a different state? It’s not that hard to figure out. Both of my kids want to go out of state. One wants north, one wants south. When we run the numbers, it won’t cost us any different than sending them to a VA state school so it’s no difference to us.

Our one that is a senior now and looking to go south is serious about more sun and better weather. It’s fine with us.

What big state schools charge OOS tuition that's the approximately same as in-state Virginia school tuition? Or are you factoring in merit aid?

We are factoring in merit aid. It’s relevant and won’t be given by VA schools. My senior didn’t even want tour any VA state schools. He wasn’t interested in attending them.

I think my second kid will at least go see a couple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In-state at William and Mary costs $43k (tuition, room/board). Likelihood of getting merit is slim if in-state.

OOS at a flagship with merit for my DS is $40k (tuition, room and board). Likelihood of getting merit for OOS is high for students with decent stats.

But not a school with comparable academics. You aren’t getting merit at Michigan.

On the flip side, opportunities for internships/excellence at a lower-ranked OOS school may be better than at a higher-ranked school (less competition), so child will stand out more. Mine got a paid internship abroad, doing real research in a lab at a major institute. Kid has top stats at uni, so will be well-positioned for graduate school — maybe even at a high-stats grad school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you asking why anyone wants to go to a big state school in a different state? It’s not that hard to figure out. Both of my kids want to go out of state. One wants north, one wants south. When we run the numbers, it won’t cost us any different than sending them to a VA state school so it’s no difference to us.

Our one that is a senior now and looking to go south is serious about more sun and better weather. It’s fine with us.

What big state schools charge OOS tuition that's the approximately same as in-state Virginia school tuition? Or are you factoring in merit aid?

I’m not the PP, but my kid is going to an out of state flagship for cheaper than Virginia state school. But that is including merit aid. She applied to Virginia schools and out of state. We looked at the net price for each

Total cost of attendance-financial aid - merit aid= our cost.

Our cost for some but not all of the out of state schools was cheaper than Virginia state schools.

[Anonymous]

It does seem stupid, but I guess these kids want to get as far away from their parents as possible.

[Anonymous]

We live in Westchester County NY. SUNY schools are very reasonable in cost in-state, especially considering how expensive most things are here relatively speaking. But there is no true “flagship” and the top academic schools like Binghamton and Stony Brook don’t offer the full ra-ra experience of say a Penn State. Our local HS regularly sends tons of kids to Michigan and Wisconsin but very few to SUNY.

[Anonymous]

Delaware is full of NJ students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Delaware is full of NJ students

PA kids too—if you’re from the Philly burbs and want a flagship experience without going super rural.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only Illinois kids who go to University of Missouri are those who didn’t get in to UIUC.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only Illinois kids who go to University of Missouri are those who didn’t get in to UIUC.

Same. The only VA kids in our region who go to UGA, Clemson or NCState are the ones who cannot get in to UVA or VT.

Yes but it's not because they don't have the stats, it's because the schools would rather get OOS money from similarly qualified students. Musical chairs where the students lose (or the parents' pocketbook).

Which schools are easier to get into for out of state? Not UVA. Not UGA.