The Great Student Swap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only Illinois kids who go to University of Missouri are those who didn’t get in to UIUC.

Same. The only VA kids in our region who go to UGA, Clemson or NCState are the ones who cannot get in to UVA or VT.

Not true in our case. Raleigh has a lot of advantages that Blacksburg doesn't have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only Illinois kids who go to University of Missouri are those who didn’t get in to UIUC.

Same. The only VA kids in our region who go to UGA, Clemson or NCState are the ones who cannot get in to UVA or VT.

Or can’t get into W&M or JMU.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past two decades, though, the University of Alabama has transformed its student body, increasing its share of new out-of-state undergraduates from just twenty-three per cent in 2002 to sixty-five per cent in 2022, according to recent data from the National Center for Education Statistics.

Alabama gives free tuition plus stipend plus master’s plus honors college and more to NMF. That probably increases out of state attendance. It wasn’t enough to interest my NMF in going to Alabama, though.

My NMF chose Bama and is doing very well. The NMF cohort there is very engaged.

Can you speak more to this? My HS junior who is likely to make the NM cutoff is looking at Alabama as an option.

Alabama doesn’t have a great rep here but the NMF package is solid and attracts a lot of smart kids from all kinds of backgrounds. There are several options for Honors programs such as Blount Scholars, Randall Research Scholars, Witt Fellows, etc.

There’s a lot of programming and wrap around services for the NMF students and Honors students in general. There’s an active NMF parent group on FB that has been very helpful too in understanding how to utilize the scholarship to the maximum benefit, including study abroad and graduate studies.

Alabama students in the Honors cohort/NMF do quite well and students have won several prestigious graduate awards including Rhodes in 2022 and 2025, Fulbright, Marshall, Obama Chesky, etc.

https://honors.ua.edu/experience/office-of-external-scholarships-and-fellowships/award-recipients/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is the math plain and simple. VA has more high stat kids than UVA, VT and W&M can admit in any given year.

Other state flagships want to bring in the best students they can, often are much larger than VA universities and don’t have as many highly qualified students in their home state.

Many OOS flagships sweeten the pot with tuition discounts/merit aid so a win/win for both parties.

You write this as if neither the state nor the schools has any control over the number of students they educate or the price they charge. Virginia could have enough seats to educate all their high-performing students in-state if that was something the state valued.

You are wrong. The Commonwealth of Virginia funds 41 public institutions of higher learning, which includes the very generous guaranteed transfer program community colleges to its four year institutions. The Commonwealth is currently pushing billions of dollars into growing those institutions like GMU (now the largest R1 University in the Commonwealth wealth) , which can still develop (you didn’t know it has five campuses, did you? One in Korea). It’s also recently opened a UVA campus in Arlington. Name one other state tge size of Virginia that does what Virginia does for its college bound residents. Only CA and Texas are more expansive but they are much larger states. Wisconsin and Michigan just offer the top flagship, not the breadth and variety that Virginia does.

WI may not have 41 public institutions, but they have a very strong regional public University of WI system that serves students from the state well. There are at least 8, including UW-Milwaukee. In my HS class, I was the only one to attend UW-Madison, but the vast majority of other college-bound classmates went to one of the regional universities. They all have a speciality as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the math plain and simple. VA has more high stat kids than UVA, VT and W&M can admit in any given year.

Other state flagships want to bring in the best students they can, often are much larger than VA universities and don’t have as many highly qualified students in their home state.

Many OOS flagships sweeten the pot with tuition discounts/merit aid so a win/win for both parties.

You write this as if neither the state nor the schools has any control over the number of students they educate or the price they charge. Virginia could have enough seats to educate all their high-performing students in-state if that was something the state valued.

You are wrong. The Commonwealth of Virginia funds 41 public institutions of higher learning, which includes the very generous guaranteed transfer program community colleges to its four year institutions. The Commonwealth is currently pushing billions of dollars into growing those institutions like GMU (now the largest R1 University in the Commonwealth wealth) , which can still develop (you didn’t know it has five campuses, did you? One in Korea). It’s also recently opened a UVA campus in Arlington. Name one other state tge size of Virginia that does what Virginia does for its college bound residents. Only CA and Texas are more expansive but they are much larger states. Wisconsin and Michigan just offer the top flagship, not the breadth and variety that Virginia does.

WI may not have 41 public institutions, but they have a very strong regional public University of WI system that serves students from the state well. There are at least 8, including UW-Milwaukee. In my HS class, I was the only one to attend UW-Madison, but the vast majority of other college-bound classmates went to one of the regional universities. They all have a speciality as well.

RIght but OOS only want Madison. And Wisconsin has nothing like William & Mary and no VA Tech.

[Anonymous]

Not being able to imagine the benefits of going out of state, that's not a good look. It's so provincial and limiting. That mindset is precisely what motivates students to go out of state. That's you, Northern Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Full of soft?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is the math plain and simple. VA has more high stat kids than UVA, VT and W&M can admit in any given year.

Other state flagships want to bring in the best students they can, often are much larger than VA universities and don’t have as many highly qualified students in their home state.

Many OOS flagships sweeten the pot with tuition discounts/merit aid so a win/win for both parties.

You write this as if neither the state nor the schools has any control over the number of students they educate or the price they charge. Virginia could have enough seats to educate all their high-performing students in-state if that was something the state valued.

You are wrong. The Commonwealth of Virginia funds 41 public institutions of higher learning, which includes the very generous guaranteed transfer program community colleges to its four year institutions. The Commonwealth is currently pushing billions of dollars into growing those institutions like GMU (now the largest R1 University in the Commonwealth wealth) , which can still develop (you didn’t know it has five campuses, did you? One in Korea). It’s also recently opened a UVA campus in Arlington. Name one other state tge size of Virginia that does what Virginia does for its college bound residents. Only CA and Texas are more expansive but they are much larger states. Wisconsin and Michigan just offer the top flagship, not the breadth and variety that Virginia does.

WI may not have 41 public institutions, but they have a very strong regional public University of WI system that serves students from the state well. There are at least 8, including UW-Milwaukee. In my HS class, I was the only one to attend UW-Madison, but the vast majority of other college-bound classmates went to one of the regional universities. They all have a speciality as well.

RIght but OOS only want Madison. And Wisconsin has nothing like William & Mary and no VA Tech.

My more “average” kid is looking at a WI regional. The OOS price is comparable to VA in-state without merit & it has majors he’s interested not available at most VA schools.

I mean, could he go to CC & then transfer to VT? Yes. However, socially I think there’s value him not transferring as a kid who doesn’t make friends as easily as others.