Clemson? Syracuse? Elon? Why?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because college should be attainable for lots of students. These are all solid schools that provide a good education and enjoyable college experience.

Two of those schools are expensive AF and not known for generous aid.

Not known for generous MERIT aid. Need based is another matter (not that the DCUM contingent would know anything about that).

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Syracuse was DS’s “safety” but he would have happily attended. The tour and info sessions for Syracuse totally convinced me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

They are used as targets for those with 1280-1350, commonly because Uva and WM in state are reaches and they do not want JMU/CNU. clemson/UGA Syracuse/Elon are reaches for those below 1250. They are likelies for those with 1450+ and commonly not even considered for those close to the top of the class with 1530+, who grind for T10. Who cares? Focus on the right schools for your kid. There is nothing wrong with any of these schools if the fit your kid. They are all good schools in the general landscape of all 2000 colleges in the US. They are likely poor fits for someone who would truly thrive in an ivy/stanford/Duke environment. YMMV.

UGA? No way. Have you looked at the numbers needed to get into UGA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Syracuse was DS’s “safety” but he would have happily attended. The tour and info sessions for Syracuse totally convinced me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

They are used as targets for those with 1280-1350, commonly because Uva and WM in state are reaches and they do not want JMU/CNU. clemson/UGA Syracuse/Elon are reaches for those below 1250. They are likelies for those with 1450+ and commonly not even considered for those close to the top of the class with 1530+, who grind for T10. Who cares? Focus on the right schools for your kid. There is nothing wrong with any of these schools if the fit your kid. They are all good schools in the general landscape of all 2000 colleges in the US. They are likely poor fits for someone who would truly thrive in an ivy/stanford/Duke environment. YMMV.

UGA? No way. Have you looked at the numbers needed to get into UGA?

Right. UGA is a whole different beast.

Clemson was a likely for my kid and one they would seriously attend. They loved their visit and have heard great things from students who attend. Don’t forget, there are high achievers at schools outside the top 10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

Some people are overly fixated on acceptance %, when it might be irrelevant or misleading.

It can be affected by things like having an easy or cheap application process; having cheap tuition or great financial aid; or non-academic factors like good weather or a winning football team.

None of these factors really affects the education they offer, yet some people’s love of competition & exclusivity ends up equating low acceptance % with high academic quality.

Are you confusing test submitting % with acceptance rate? The percents mean test submitting % not acceptance rate.

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Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

Agree that they aren't academic powerhouses for super ambitious students. People love the vibe/spirit/culture. They have the reputation for being fun, happy schools. (Not saying they are for everyone, just that's what I usually hear about them.)

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Can the OP chime in with the intent of the question? I mean, you know that not every student is going to an Ivy or T25, right? What I do not understand is the reason for questions like this. The schools you list are very solid schools and are in fact reaches for many students. Do you mean to ask why would a student with a 1550 go to these schools? Well that is a different question (and there are many good answers). Are you asking why a child with a 3.8-4.0 and 1250 - or lower stats applying as a reach - would try for these schools? The answer is they are good schools with good name recognition and a fun atmosphere. Finances are another question and up to each family. What is not to understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

They are used as targets for those with 1280-1350, commonly because Uva and WM in state are reaches and they do not want JMU/CNU. clemson/UGA Syracuse/Elon are reaches for those below 1250. They are likelies for those with 1450+ and commonly not even considered for those close to the top of the class with 1530+, who grind for T10. Who cares? Focus on the right schools for your kid. There is nothing wrong with any of these schools if the fit your kid. They are all good schools in the general landscape of all 2000 colleges in the US. They are likely poor fits for someone who would truly thrive in an ivy/stanford/Duke environment. YMMV.

UGA? No way. Have you looked at the numbers needed to get into UGA?

Right. UGA is a whole different beast.

Clemson was a likely for my kid and one they would seriously attend. They loved their visit and have heard great things from students who attend. Don’t forget, there are high achievers at schools outside the top 10.

The. UGA enrolled data will not be that different from Clemson. UGA accepts a lot of high stats kids, particularly in EA, but most don’t enroll.

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I don’t think op realizes Clemson is a public university with a reasonable tuition even for oos.

[Anonymous]

I would be happy sending my high stats kid to Syracuse or Clemson. I don’t know as much about Elon, but I’m sure my kid would be successful graduating from there as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

They are used as targets for those with 1280-1350, commonly because Uva and WM in state are reaches and they do not want JMU/CNU. clemson/UGA Syracuse/Elon are reaches for those below 1250. They are likelies for those with 1450+ and commonly not even considered for those close to the top of the class with 1530+, who grind for T10. Who cares? Focus on the right schools for your kid. There is nothing wrong with any of these schools if the fit your kid. They are all good schools in the general landscape of all 2000 colleges in the US. They are likely poor fits for someone who would truly thrive in an ivy/stanford/Duke environment. YMMV.

UGA? No way. Have you looked at the numbers needed to get into UGA?

Right. UGA is a whole different beast.

Clemson was a likely for my kid and one they would seriously attend. They loved their visit and have heard great things from students who attend. Don’t forget, there are high achievers at schools outside the top 10.

The. UGA enrolled data will not be that different from Clemson. UGA accepts a lot of high stats kids, particularly in EA, but most don’t enroll.

UGA OOS will look better than Clemson OOS. Both schools have missions to educate instate (unlike UVA or W&M) which will pull down overall numbers

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

Because admission rates have little to do with the quality of the scholarship and teaching at the school or the overall feel. If you base your beliefs about the fit and quality of the school based solely on these rates, then you are the one that will be missing out on many, many great schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clemson: 1320 | 60% submitting
Syracuse: 1340 | 33% submitting
Elon: 1230 | 51% submitting

Why are these schools talked about so much on this forum? They seem pretty unremarkable, not terrible and not that great. What gives?

Because admission rates have little to do with the quality of the scholarship and teaching at the school or the overall feel. If you base your beliefs about the fit and quality of the school based solely on these rates, then you are the one that will be missing out on many, many great schools.

Those are percentage of people submitting test scores not acceptance rates

[Anonymous]

I have a kid at Syracuse. It was his safety but they offered him a ton of merit aid and he was attracted to the alumni network and prestige of Newhouse where he is a student. I have been very impressed by his education. It’s very career focused so he is really learning career skills that are great to have on a resume.