Non-DC academies

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Please explain in specific details how a US soccer player signing with a MLS Club Academy kills their future in Europe.
Thanks

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

That's a false analogy.
Unless the Manchester City scouting department left the Middle School Intern in charge of the scouting and valuation.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

And the professional academies can get access to the UK kids much earlier, so the risk is considerably less when they can actually train the kid in development years, opposed to only having a year or two in their system.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

There is a system in place by the FA on how much a Cat 1 academy has to pay to get a player from a Cat 2 or Cat 3 academy in England.
It is mainly driven off how long the kid was at the old academy.
It's not a guessing game or winging it.
Its set by the English FA.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

And the professional academies can get access to the UK kids much earlier, so the risk is considerably less when they can actually train the kid in development years, opposed to only having a year or two in their system.

Considering MLS Academy Players that hit 18 are going to England and Europe (or before if they have EU passport)
We are still waiting for your details on why they can't.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

And the professional academies can get access to the UK kids much earlier, so the risk is considerably less when they can actually train the kid in development years, opposed to only having a year or two in their system.

Considering MLS Academy Players that hit 18 are going to England and Europe (or before if they have EU passport)
We are still waiting for your details on why they can't.

He’s not saying they can’t, just that it makes it more difficult, particularly for players who are not touted as the next big thing (eg sullivan) by the academy. There’s a reason why the MLS players union opposed it when the U.S. finally agreed to comply with FIFAs training compensation and solidarity payment requirements. And I think training compensation is only payable to an MLS club and non-MLS clubs will likely need to file suit with FIFA to get any compensation or solidarity payments.

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So why hasnt fletcher moved to Europe? He has a Uk passport. Do u think DCU wants too much for him and no Europe club wants to pay that?

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

And the professional academies can get access to the UK kids much earlier, so the risk is considerably less when they can actually train the kid in development years, opposed to only having a year or two in their system.

Considering MLS Academy Players that hit 18 are going to England and Europe (or before if they have EU passport)
We are still waiting for your details on why they can't.

He’s not saying they can’t, just that it makes it more difficult, particularly for players who are not touted as the next big thing (eg sullivan) by the academy. There’s a reason why the MLS players union opposed it when the U.S. finally agreed to comply with FIFAs training compensation and solidarity payment requirements. And I think training compensation is only payable to an MLS club and non-MLS clubs will likely need to file suit with FIFA to get any compensation or solidarity payments.

Because of Brexit, it's difficult for any kid outside England to go to an English academy

Not sure why MLS and Non-MLS are in the same breath.
Professional versus pay-to-play Grass Roots.

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Anonymous wrote:So why hasnt fletcher moved to Europe? He has a Uk passport. Do u think DCU wants too much for him and no Europe club wants to pay that?

Guessing without facts is farting in the wind

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

And the professional academies can get access to the UK kids much earlier, so the risk is considerably less when they can actually train the kid in development years, opposed to only having a year or two in their system.

Considering MLS Academy Players that hit 18 are going to England and Europe (or before if they have EU passport)
We are still waiting for your details on why they can't.

He’s not saying they can’t, just that it makes it more difficult, particularly for players who are not touted as the next big thing (eg sullivan) by the academy. There’s a reason why the MLS players union opposed it when the U.S. finally agreed to comply with FIFAs training compensation and solidarity payment requirements. And I think training compensation is only payable to an MLS club and non-MLS clubs will likely need to file suit with FIFA to get any compensation or solidarity payments.

Professional Scouts don't use who's hyped on IG as their scouting, vetting and recommendation process.
Only us parents are mesmerised by the temporary shiny stuff

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

And the professional academies can get access to the UK kids much earlier, so the risk is considerably less when they can actually train the kid in development years, opposed to only having a year or two in their system.

Considering MLS Academy Players that hit 18 are going to England and Europe (or before if they have EU passport)
We are still waiting for your details on why they can't.

He’s not saying they can’t, just that it makes it more difficult, particularly for players who are not touted as the next big thing (eg sullivan) by the academy. There’s a reason why the MLS players union opposed it when the U.S. finally agreed to comply with FIFAs training compensation and solidarity payment requirements. And I think training compensation is only payable to an MLS club and non-MLS clubs will likely need to file suit with FIFA to get any compensation or solidarity payments.

Because of Brexit, it's difficult for any kid outside England to go to an English academy

Not sure why MLS and Non-MLS are in the same breath.
Professional versus pay-to-play Grass Roots.

Bc u don’t understand fifa regulations regarding training compensation and solidarity payments and their implementation (or lack thereof) in the U.S.

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Anonymous wrote:Through social media, I’ve noticed that there are a few local players who moved to academies outside of DC.

How did they do that? Did they reach out to those clubs when they were not scouted by DCU? Or did they move there from DCU? How would one get into those clubs without triggering interest from DCU? Or is that not possible? That is, those clubs are required to disclose to DCU that a player in their region is being considered at their club?

Boys or girls?

Boys

Re: Boys

Many of these destination academies have paid scouts. Charlotte and NCFC, like DC and Loudon FC have men’s pro teams (MLS and USL Championship leagues). Their scouting is a lot different from those like the Kickers in USL1 because the attached academies have more meaningful contract potential, with obviously DC United and Charlotte greater than London or NCFC. IMG also does this, but their model is a bit different, the ex-placement from youth is more NIL driven than contract / transfer / solidarity fee based.

The pro-clubs also tend to scout and poach from MLS Next clubs. MLS Next clubs still haven’t bridged the gap that MLS Academies have in terms of pathways to professional teams. And the pro-academies are free, vs the paid clubs.

Outside of that, lots of kids move because in another market they can play top team vs 2nd or 3rd team in their original market. That makes a huge difference in looks if the boy wants to play in college. Those moves are largely player driven, not scouting driven.

Just to add on this too, signing with a US Academy (like United, Atlanta, Charlotte, etc) kills US Boy’s chances to play overseas. So you might get a little FOMO for your kid when you see these “movers and shakers” getting recruited out of market. But you should know that signing / move likely closed 90% of the doors for that athlete.

Why would that kill a player’s chances? Wouldn’t it be easier because they’ve been vetted by a pro team?

Training fees, transfer fees and solidarity fees. Turns a $100k prospect into a $400k gamble.

So training or solidarity fees are still payable to a non-MLSNext Academy club but that would be a lot less since those clubs are a lower category? Does that sound right?

MLS Next also gets those fees. And / or any academy or club.

A very every simple approximation of how this goes is:

Let’s say a kid goes to DC United Academy, but wants to go to Man City Academy when they turn 16.

Man City says internally, “hey, this kid will cost us $250k to develop.” DC United says, “the kid has cost us $150k so far, Man City, we’ll transfer him to you if you pay us our costs.”

Man City runs their numbers, “$250k + $150k = $400k training. Do we think we can then sell him to a pro team for a first contract of ~ $1.5m? Don’t know yet because we haven’t worked with him. But we were sure we could at least get $750k. $400k is too expensive for us, we’ll pass”

Just to reiterate, this is a really over simplified version. The solidarity and training fee reimbursement it capped at 5% of the pro contract, so the multiple for the academies has to be much much higher. Making the US based player much much riskier.

Man City will have to pay a Category 3 Academy in England more for a player (especially based on how long the kid was at the academy) more than they will have to pay DC United for a player

So the financial risk isn't more for getting a MLS Club Academy player.

That’s not correct. It depends on the individual investment. The academies have to submit their expenses.

And the professional academies can get access to the UK kids much earlier, so the risk is considerably less when they can actually train the kid in development years, opposed to only having a year or two in their system.

Considering MLS Academy Players that hit 18 are going to England and Europe (or before if they have EU passport)
We are still waiting for your details on why they can't.

He’s not saying they can’t, just that it makes it more difficult, particularly for players who are not touted as the next big thing (eg sullivan) by the academy. There’s a reason why the MLS players union opposed it when the U.S. finally agreed to comply with FIFAs training compensation and solidarity payment requirements. And I think training compensation is only payable to an MLS club and non-MLS clubs will likely need to file suit with FIFA to get any compensation or solidarity payments.

Professional Scouts don't use who's hyped on IG as their scouting, vetting and recommendation process.
Only us parents are mesmerised by the temporary shiny stuff

Of course they don’t but it’s clear academies focus on certain players in terms of marketing and touting their development prowess. U think Union didn’t do anything to hype up Sullivan?