Washington Golf & Country Club Scandal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I recognize a lot of the names on this letter and applaud them. At the same time I’m thinking about the active members I know who chose not to sign. Very telling.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000018f-78cd-d048-a5cf-7cff395b0000

HMM I known a lot of people who go there, and many of their names are not on that list, especially the ones I know with gender questioning kids. Maybe not everyone was invited to sign>

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why people have problems with all men or all women private spaces. I'm a 40 something gay man and I have absolutely no issues with a men's only grill or bar and vice versa for women only spaces. There's no shortage of options so it can hardly be accused of exclusionary. And it's a private club.

Sometimes I like having a gay only space, ya know. Nothing personal. As long as it's private and elective by choice.

Who cares if you are gay? You are still a man benefitting from all your privilege. There are many problems with Washington Golf’s proposal. Let’s start with the fact that the separate spaces are not commensurate. The “women’s spaces” aren’t as good and oh, look let’s give the boys a fully renovated space to hang out in. And your dues are going up to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you’ve stepped foot into this club you would already know that it is a sexist and racist place. This is not surprising at all and I think most members will support it.

I live in Arlington and I wasn’t a big fan of the mom clique from there. Acting like it was such a big deal to belong to WGCC. Lol. The course is so small and mediocre. Then my child had to play a match at Washington Golf (my child plays on our CC’s golf team). Two old men were beyond rude to me. You know the type, they fancy themselves “Southern gentlemen.” Entitled *#%. This nonsense raising dues to pay for a new boys club shouldn’t surprise anyone that has been there or knows the families there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’ve stepped foot into this club you would already know that it is a sexist and racist place. This is not surprising at all and I think most members will support it.

I live in Arlington and I wasn’t a big fan of the mom clique from there. Acting like it was such a big deal to belong to WGCC. Lol. The course is so small and mediocre. Then my child had to play a match at Washington Golf (my child plays on our CC’s golf team). Two old men were beyond rude to me. You know the type, they fancy themselves “Southern gentlemen.” Entitled *#%. This nonsense raising dues to pay for a new boys club shouldn’t surprise anyone that has been there or knows the families there.

I didn't see any of the mom clique's names on the list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why people have problems with all men or all women private spaces. I'm a 40 something gay man and I have absolutely no issues with a men's only grill or bar and vice versa for women only spaces. There's no shortage of options so it can hardly be accused of exclusionary. And it's a private club.

Sometimes I like having a gay only space, ya know. Nothing personal. As long as it's private and elective by choice.

Who cares if you are gay? You are still a man benefitting from all your privilege. There are many problems with Washington Golf’s proposal. Let’s start with the fact that the separate spaces are not commensurate. The “women’s spaces” aren’t as good and oh, look let’s give the boys a fully renovated space to hang out in. And your dues are going up to pay for it.

You're upset because people disagree with you. You're not a member of the club, it's not your problem, you're angry because of? Whatever. If you want to be a screeching purple haired progressive harridan ranting about privilege, there's plenty of other sacred pet causes for you to waste your energies on than a private golf club that has no impact on your life.

Or, you know, get off line and go for a nice long walk and embrace this beautiful day. In the real world. Which is not perfect and perhaps you'll learn a thing or two about trying to enforce your petulant bigotry and beliefs on other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why people have problems with all men or all women private spaces. I'm a 40 something gay man and I have absolutely no issues with a men's only grill or bar and vice versa for women only spaces. There's no shortage of options so it can hardly be accused of exclusionary. And it's a private club.

Sometimes I like having a gay only space, ya know. Nothing personal. As long as it's private and elective by choice.

Who cares if you are gay? You are still a man benefitting from all your privilege. There are many problems with Washington Golf’s proposal. Let’s start with the fact that the separate spaces are not commensurate. The “women’s spaces” aren’t as good and oh, look let’s give the boys a fully renovated space to hang out in. And your dues are going up to pay for it.

You're upset because people disagree with you. You're not a member of the club, it's not your problem, you're angry because of? Whatever. If you want to be a screeching purple haired progressive harridan ranting about privilege, there's plenty of other sacred pet causes for you to waste your energies on than a private golf club that has no impact on your life.

Or, you know, get off line and go for a nice long walk and embrace this beautiful day. In the real world. Which is not perfect and perhaps you'll learn a thing or two about trying to enforce your petulant bigotry and beliefs on other people.

No, the first PP is correct. The UK has even more severe problems with men-only clubs, but you'd think that the US would lead the way to avoid catering to the already most privileged group on the planet - men, particularly white men.

And to those saying that they're not surprised given the culture of this club, YES, THIS IS WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC OUTCRY HERE. So that the club drags itself into the 21st century.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why people have problems with all men or all women private spaces. I'm a 40 something gay man and I have absolutely no issues with a men's only grill or bar and vice versa for women only spaces. There's no shortage of options so it can hardly be accused of exclusionary. And it's a private club.

Sometimes I like having a gay only space, ya know. Nothing personal. As long as it's private and elective by choice.

Who cares if you are gay? You are still a man benefitting from all your privilege. There are many problems with Washington Golf’s proposal. Let’s start with the fact that the separate spaces are not commensurate. The “women’s spaces” aren’t as good and oh, look let’s give the boys a fully renovated space to hang out in. And your dues are going up to pay for it.

You're upset because people disagree with you. You're not a member of the club, it's not your problem, you're angry because of? Whatever. If you want to be a screeching purple haired progressive harridan ranting about privilege, there's plenty of other sacred pet causes for you to waste your energies on than a private golf club that has no impact on your life.

Or, you know, get off line and go for a nice long walk and embrace this beautiful day. In the real world. Which is not perfect and perhaps you'll learn a thing or two about trying to enforce your petulant bigotry and beliefs on other people.

No, the first PP is correct. The UK has even more severe problems with men-only clubs, but you'd think that the US would lead the way to avoid catering to the already most privileged group on the planet - men, particularly white men.

And to those saying that they're not surprised given the culture of this club, YES, THIS IS WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC OUTCRY HERE. So that the club drags itself into the 21st century.

NP. You sound ridiculous. It's a private club and having a men's only or women's only place is fine, if they want that. The entire club is not segregated by sex/gender - and this is not the UK.

Also, your stats about the "most privileged group on the planet" need some re-examination. It's not the 80s anymore. Anywhere.

[Anonymous]

The club's lawyers put a racial covenant on the property in 1950....in spite of the Supreme Court ruling in Shelley (1948) that racial covenants were unenforceable.

Sit with that for a bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why people have problems with all men or all women private spaces. I'm a 40 something gay man and I have absolutely no issues with a men's only grill or bar and vice versa for women only spaces. There's no shortage of options so it can hardly be accused of exclusionary. And it's a private club.

Sometimes I like having a gay only space, ya know. Nothing personal. As long as it's private and elective by choice.

Who cares if you are gay? You are still a man benefitting from all your privilege. There are many problems with Washington Golf’s proposal. Let’s start with the fact that the separate spaces are not commensurate. The “women’s spaces” aren’t as good and oh, look let’s give the boys a fully renovated space to hang out in. And your dues are going up to pay for it.

You're upset because people disagree with you. You're not a member of the club, it's not your problem, you're angry because of? Whatever. If you want to be a screeching purple haired progressive harridan ranting about privilege, there's plenty of other sacred pet causes for you to waste your energies on than a private golf club that has no impact on your life.

Or, you know, get off line and go for a nice long walk and embrace this beautiful day. In the real world. Which is not perfect and perhaps you'll learn a thing or two about trying to enforce your petulant bigotry and beliefs on other people.

No, the first PP is correct. The UK has even more severe problems with men-only clubs, but you'd think that the US would lead the way to avoid catering to the already most privileged group on the planet - men, particularly white men.

And to those saying that they're not surprised given the culture of this club, YES, THIS IS WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC OUTCRY HERE. So that the club drags itself into the 21st century.

NP. You sound ridiculous. It's a private club and having a men's only or women's only place is fine, if they want that. The entire club is not segregated by sex/gender - and this is not the UK.

Also, your stats about the "most privileged group on the planet" need some re-examination. It's not the 80s anymore. Anywhere.

NP here: then they can give up their tax break. The state government should not be subsidizing this.

[Anonymous]

The issue is not having a similar space with similar amenities for women. Forget about the men, the women want to get away from you FOR SURE.

[Anonymous]

I’ve been a guest at this club several times and have seen a lot of abhorrent behavior. So it’s not surprising but also not ok. How do you explain to your daughters why the men have a better space that they can’t use? And what is this teaching your sons? So proud of my friends who signed the letter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been a guest at this club several times and have seen a lot of abhorrent behavior. So it’s not surprising but also not ok. How do you explain to your daughters why the men have a better space that they can’t use? And what is this teaching your sons? So proud of my friends who signed the letter.

You explain that men golfers outnumber women golfers by like 20 to 1 at every club and the men’s only spaces at most golf clubs are built into/incorporated into the men’s locker room. At my old club it was a space for guys to walk around in towels and play poker while cussing up a storm. Not exactly behavior that would be permitted in the general areas.

Are women looking for that kind of space? Then build it, too.

[Anonymous]

I fail to find the outrage here. It's a private club. They can do whatever they like. Don't like it? Feel free to leave and find a club whose practices you do like. It's not like they're lacking for members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why the f would any man unless gay or 90 wish to go to a male only restaurant.
they are correct to question that insanity

Locker room talk and dirty jokes.

Locker rooms are already divided by gender, if that's the only excuse you can have your "locker room talk" right there in the locker room.

Also, if you're saying things in the locker room you wouldn't say in mixed company, there's a 100% chance you're either "that guy" that people put up with to their face but hate behind their back, or your friend group causes women to subconsciously cover their drinks when you're outside of your "men's only" bars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been a guest at this club several times and have seen a lot of abhorrent behavior. So it’s not surprising but also not ok. How do you explain to your daughters why the men have a better space that they can’t use? And what is this teaching your sons? So proud of my friends who signed the letter.

Well they knew what they were signing up for when they joined. What were they saying to their kids then??