Supreme Court Texas Immigration Ruling

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Democrat and an immigrant, SC decision is a good decision. We have to decide if we have a border or not, I have not seen anything like this ever in my life where people want to pretend their country has no border.

WTH is wrong with people here???

Immigration is a federal issue, not a state issue.

Also, in Texas, there is a not insignificant number of people who were born on this side of the border at home and do not have a passport or a birth certificate from a hospital. They are citizens - but could Texas "deport" them? It's a terrible idea.

The feds have essentially abandoned this issue, and have so for decades now. This is a less than ideal solution, but certainly preferable to another few decades of finger pointing while the problems get worse.

This is a talking point but is false. For many decades, Texas has been happy to have Mexicans cross the border. For recent decades, the US has been dealing with migrants from Central and South America crossing the border. Things are not perfect, but they aren't terrible.

This law is dumb as well as unconstitutional - which the Fifth Circuit belatedly realized.

No state is happy when you mass import and break the laws and financial realities of the state. Either you come up with a better solution or reality takes over and the courts get ignored.

If a court tells you to commit suicide even though it's against the law for them to do so, do you commit suicide?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Democrat and an immigrant, SC decision is a good decision. We have to decide if we have a border or not, I have not seen anything like this ever in my life where people want to pretend their country has no border.

WTH is wrong with people here???

Immigration is a federal issue, not a state issue.

Also, in Texas, there is a not insignificant number of people who were born on this side of the border at home and do not have a passport or a birth certificate from a hospital. They are citizens - but could Texas "deport" them? It's a terrible idea.

The feds have essentially abandoned this issue, and have so for decades now. This is a less than ideal solution, but certainly preferable to another few decades of finger pointing while the problems get worse.

This is a talking point but is false. For many decades, Texas has been happy to have Mexicans cross the border. For recent decades, the US has been dealing with migrants from Central and South America crossing the border. Things are not perfect, but they aren't terrible.

This law is dumb as well as unconstitutional - which the Fifth Circuit belatedly realized.

No state is happy when you mass import and break the laws and financial realities of the state. Either you come up with a better solution or reality takes over and the courts get ignored.

If a court tells you to commit suicide even though it's against the law for them to do so, do you commit suicide?

Dramatic much?

Texas relies on illegal immigrants, as do other states. But now we're fussing about it? Hmm.

[Anonymous]

its blocked again, this is really bad optics for liberals and democrats

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:its blocked again, this is really bad optics for liberals and democrats

The Fifth Circuit blocking it is bad optics for... who? Come again?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Democrat and an immigrant, SC decision is a good decision. We have to decide if we have a border or not, I have not seen anything like this ever in my life where people want to pretend their country has no border.

WTH is wrong with people here???

Immigration is a federal issue, not a state issue.

Also, in Texas, there is a not insignificant number of people who were born on this side of the border at home and do not have a passport or a birth certificate from a hospital. They are citizens - but could Texas "deport" them? It's a terrible idea.

The feds have essentially abandoned this issue, and have so for decades now. This is a less than ideal solution, but certainly preferable to another few decades of finger pointing while the problems get worse.

This is a talking point but is false. For many decades, Texas has been happy to have Mexicans cross the border. For recent decades, the US has been dealing with migrants from Central and South America crossing the border. Things are not perfect, but they aren't terrible.

This law is dumb as well as unconstitutional - which the Fifth Circuit belatedly realized.

No state is happy when you mass import and break the laws and financial realities of the state. Either you come up with a better solution or reality takes over and the courts get ignored.

If a court tells you to commit suicide even though it's against the law for them to do so, do you commit suicide?

Dramatic much?

Texas relies on illegal immigrants, as do other states. But now we're fussing about it? Hmm.

We should fuss about migrants being exploited in dangerous conditions, yes. We should also fuss about illegal crossings of people who are not vetted, including criminals. having to fund people coming in and staying in legal limbo for years when we don't even house our own homeless and provide every American healthcare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:its blocked again, this is really bad optics for liberals and democrats

Its bad optics for our whole system of government. People have wanted immigration of all types reduced for decades: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1660/immigration.aspx
Scroll down to see the details, but one shows that no fewer than 70% of respondents viewed illegal immigration as a threat to the country dating back to 2004.

Contrast that to a "representative" system of government that works or doesn't work to make sure the border stays open. No one can fix the problem because no one wants to fix it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you think it is such a bad decision, OP?

DP...it allows the "texas authorities" to sweep up anyone who could be a migrant. ie anyone who looks Latino. Regardless of being a born American, a legal immigrant or someone who crossed illegally. IOW, no due process and it is the beginning of "brownshirts" basically.

Texas does not have the resources to do massive sweeps that you dream about. But according to the law they passed, if someone crosses they can be immediately returned to Mexico. There is no due process needed for jumping the border. Deporting people that are here illegally is righting a wrong.

What has happened is that Texas is filling a void that Biden created. Texas has been begging the Biden administration to get a handle on the invasion of illegal immigrants and has been ignored.

So what happens when they pick up someone they think came here illegally but is actually legal? And they then deport him? If there’s no due process where these issues are found, there will be many mistakes like this.

[Anonymous]

FINALLY!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its blocked again, this is really bad optics for liberals and democrats

The Fifth Circuit blocking it is bad optics for... who? Come again?

Bad optics for Texas. They passed a law so obviously unconstitutional that even the fifth circuit recognizes it’s unconstitutional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think it is such a bad decision, OP?

DP...it allows the "texas authorities" to sweep up anyone who could be a migrant. ie anyone who looks Latino. Regardless of being a born American, a legal immigrant or someone who crossed illegally. IOW, no due process and it is the beginning of "brownshirts" basically.

Texas does not have the resources to do massive sweeps that you dream about. But according to the law they passed, if someone crosses they can be immediately returned to Mexico. There is no due process needed for jumping the border. Deporting people that are here illegally is righting a wrong.

What has happened is that Texas is filling a void that Biden created. Texas has been begging the Biden administration to get a handle on the invasion of illegal immigrants and has been ignored.

So what happens when they pick up someone they think came here illegally but is actually legal? And they then deport him? If there’s no due process where these issues are found, there will be many mistakes like this.

If they became legal then they have a legal document to prove it...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think it is such a bad decision, OP?

https://www.ktep.org/2023-12-22/family-held-at-gunpoint-by-dps-in-mistaken-operation-lone-star-stop-el-pasoans-say?_amp=true

“ An El Paso family returning from a visit to Ciudad Juarez says they were forced off the road by Texas Department of Public Safety agents who rushed out of their unmarked vehicles and pointed semiautomatic rifles at them.

“This was excessive, way too much force. It would have been just as easy to turn on your lights, pull us over and do an investigation” said Gerardo Ayala, 37, who was in his Chevy Cruze on Oct. 12 with his wife, 13-year-old daughter and mother-in-law.

Ayala said they were released after a Texas Department of Public Safety supervisor told them their car was similar to one being tracked in an investigation. DPS spokesperson Elizabeth Carter said only, “We’re looking into the allegation.”

The Ayalas are U.S. citizens, and the October incident underscores concerns by civil rights groups and immigrant advocates that Texas’ border enforcement efforts include ethnic ”

This isn’t scary in the least bit. Just make sure you have your papers with you . /s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think it is such a bad decision, OP?

https://www.ktep.org/2023-12-22/family-held-at-gunpoint-by-dps-in-mistaken-operation-lone-star-stop-el-pasoans-say?_amp=true

“ An El Paso family returning from a visit to Ciudad Juarez says they were forced off the road by Texas Department of Public Safety agents who rushed out of their unmarked vehicles and pointed semiautomatic rifles at them.

“This was excessive, way too much force. It would have been just as easy to turn on your lights, pull us over and do an investigation” said Gerardo Ayala, 37, who was in his Chevy Cruze on Oct. 12 with his wife, 13-year-old daughter and mother-in-law.

Ayala said they were released after a Texas Department of Public Safety supervisor told them their car was similar to one being tracked in an investigation. DPS spokesperson Elizabeth Carter said only, “We’re looking into the allegation.”

The Ayalas are U.S. citizens, and the October incident underscores concerns by civil rights groups and immigrant advocates that Texas’ border enforcement efforts include ethnic ”

This isn’t scary in the least bit. Just make sure you have your papers with you . /s

That's not a good example as it could have happened to anyone driving that car...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think it is such a bad decision, OP?

DP...it allows the "texas authorities" to sweep up anyone who could be a migrant. ie anyone who looks Latino. Regardless of being a born American, a legal immigrant or someone who crossed illegally. IOW, no due process and it is the beginning of "brownshirts" basically.

Texas does not have the resources to do massive sweeps that you dream about. But according to the law they passed, if someone crosses they can be immediately returned to Mexico. There is no due process needed for jumping the border. Deporting people that are here illegally is righting a wrong.

What has happened is that Texas is filling a void that Biden created. Texas has been begging the Biden administration to get a handle on the invasion of illegal immigrants and has been ignored.

So what happens when they pick up someone they think came here illegally but is actually legal? And they then deport him? If there’s no due process where these issues are found, there will be many mistakes like this.

If they became legal then they have a legal document to prove it...

And how do they present that if there’s no due process? I don’t walk around with my birth certificate or passport on me. Do you?

[Anonymous]

There have already been instances where people who were not here illegally were swept up and deported. I see no checks and balances for how Texas will be able to guarantee this will not happen again.

And they cannot legally deport someone who showed up at the border and asked for asylum. They legally are entitled to a hearing first, before any decisions about deportation can be made. I see nothing in Texas's plan to deal with that.

Texas is setting itself up for lawsuits and legal actions that IT WILL LOSE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think it is such a bad decision, OP?

DP...it allows the "texas authorities" to sweep up anyone who could be a migrant. ie anyone who looks Latino. Regardless of being a born American, a legal immigrant or someone who crossed illegally. IOW, no due process and it is the beginning of "brownshirts" basically.

Texas does not have the resources to do massive sweeps that you dream about. But according to the law they passed, if someone crosses they can be immediately returned to Mexico. There is no due process needed for jumping the border. Deporting people that are here illegally is righting a wrong.

What has happened is that Texas is filling a void that Biden created. Texas has been begging the Biden administration to get a handle on the invasion of illegal immigrants and has been ignored.

So what happens when they pick up someone they think came here illegally but is actually legal? And they then deport him? If there’s no due process where these issues are found, there will be many mistakes like this.

If they became legal then they have a legal document to prove it...

And how do they present that if there’s no due process? I don’t walk around with my birth certificate or passport on me. Do you?

Do you have a case in which that actually happened? Nobody is going to deport someone right there on the spot without asking for documentation. Where is this even? At the border? At the supermarket? At work? Legal citizens usually have a driver's license. If not and if it is a concern though, you can have it in your email/phone always.