Why do some parents let their kids throw boozy parties

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

This is an extreme environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

I also grew up in a super conservative, Baptist area. My city was a dry city, so they only sold alcohol at bars (no stores within city limits).

My friends did not all go crazy when they went off to college - a few did, most didn’t. I certainly didn’t.

My DH’s parents looked the other way when he drank on HS. He still drank to excess in college regularly. My parents were super strict in HS and I only drank too much twice in college.

I can’t believe you think your parenting approach on drinking is working when your child got drunk at 16.5 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

I also grew up in a super conservative, Baptist area. My city was a dry city, so they only sold alcohol at bars (no stores within city limits).

My friends did not all go crazy when they went off to college - a few did, most didn’t. I certainly didn’t.

My DH’s parents looked the other way when he drank on HS. He still drank to excess in college regularly. My parents were super strict in HS and I only drank too much twice in college.

I can’t believe you think your parenting approach on drinking is working when your child got drunk at 16.5 years.

LMAO! Right! The evidence of the fallacy in her logic is staring at her plainly in the face, meanwhile, she's patting herself on the back for not being a "strict parent," as she's convinced that since her kid got drunk in high school under her watch, there's no way he'll do that and more once he goes to college.

That's some seriously pretzel-like logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

I also grew up in a super conservative, Baptist area. My city was a dry city, so they only sold alcohol at bars (no stores within city limits).

My friends did not all go crazy when they went off to college - a few did, most didn’t. I certainly didn’t.

My DH’s parents looked the other way when he drank on HS. He still drank to excess in college regularly. My parents were super strict in HS and I only drank too much twice in college.

I can’t believe you think your parenting approach on drinking is working when your child got drunk at 16.5 years.

LMAO! Right! The evidence of the fallacy in her logic is staring at her plainly in the face, meanwhile, she's patting herself on the back for not being a "strict parent," as she's convinced that since her kid got drunk in high school under her watch, there's no way he'll do that and more once he goes to college.

That's some seriously pretzel-like logic.

Do you all have some stats, or any expertise on the subject, or are we just proffering competing anecdotes and declaring ourselves right and superior?

Because we ALL have the anecdotes. Yours doesn't mean that you are right and the other PP wrong, or vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some parents want their kids to be cool above all else. I know several such parents. The parents themselves are also usually preoccupied with their own social lives and are probably borderline alcoholics themselves.

Yes, yes, and yes to all this. Although I might strike "borderline."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How truly dumb can you be? just heard of a HS classmate who was arrested for this on Friday.

Student arrested or parent?

The parent, for hosting a boozy bash and turning a blind eye.

This is good news, indeed!

Please let this go viral and serve as an example to any other degenerate like-minded "parents"!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

I also grew up in a super conservative, Baptist area. My city was a dry city, so they only sold alcohol at bars (no stores within city limits).

My friends did not all go crazy when they went off to college - a few did, most didn’t. I certainly didn’t.

My DH’s parents looked the other way when he drank on HS. He still drank to excess in college regularly. My parents were super strict in HS and I only drank too much twice in college.

I can’t believe you think your parenting approach on drinking is working when your child got drunk at 16.5 years.

LMAO! Right! The evidence of the fallacy in her logic is staring at her plainly in the face, meanwhile, she's patting herself on the back for not being a "strict parent," as she's convinced that since her kid got drunk in high school under her watch, there's no way he'll do that and more once he goes to college.

That's some seriously pretzel-like logic.

Do you all have some stats, or any expertise on the subject, or are we just proffering competing anecdotes and declaring ourselves right and superior?

Because we ALL have the anecdotes. Yours doesn't mean that you are right and the other PP wrong, or vice versa.

If you care to Google the subject, you'll find a wealth of material on the subject.

Here's a quick one for you, since you can't be bothered:

Research shows that people who start drinking before the age of 15 are at a higher risk for developing alcohol use disorder (AUD) later in life. For example, adults ages 26 and older who began drinking before age 15 are 3.5 times more likely to report having AUD in the past year than those who waited until age 21 or later to begin drinking.12

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/underage-drinking#:~:text=Increases%20the%20risk%20of%20alcohol,(AUD)%20later%20in%20life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

NP. Your line of thinking is just as illogical as the parent who hosted the party. A college freshman is still underage but with even less of a scaffold while at college. I don’t support my child drinking, but I’d rather we have conversations about how to handle this and they have a beer every once in awhile than start in college. You’re just one other side of the spectrum in the gradient of extremes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

NP. Your line of thinking is just as illogical as the parent who hosted the party. A college freshman is still underage but with even less of a scaffold while at college. I don’t support my child drinking, but I’d rather we have conversations about how to handle this and they have a beer every once in awhile than start in college. You’re just one other side of the spectrum in the gradient of extremes.

Sorry, but you DO support teen drinking if your conversations are along the lines of your post. Tell yourself whatever you want but you are setting them up for a struggle with substance abuse for their whole life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

I also grew up in a super conservative, Baptist area. My city was a dry city, so they only sold alcohol at bars (no stores within city limits).

My friends did not all go crazy when they went off to college - a few did, most didn’t. I certainly didn’t.

My DH’s parents looked the other way when he drank on HS. He still drank to excess in college regularly. My parents were super strict in HS and I only drank too much twice in college.

I can’t believe you think your parenting approach on drinking is working when your child got drunk at 16.5 years.

LMAO! Right! The evidence of the fallacy in her logic is staring at her plainly in the face, meanwhile, she's patting herself on the back for not being a "strict parent," as she's convinced that since her kid got drunk in high school under her watch, there's no way he'll do that and more once he goes to college.

That's some seriously pretzel-like logic.

Do you all have some stats, or any expertise on the subject, or are we just proffering competing anecdotes and declaring ourselves right and superior?

Because we ALL have the anecdotes. Yours doesn't mean that you are right and the other PP wrong, or vice versa.

If you care to Google the subject, you'll find a wealth of material on the subject.

Here's a quick one for you, since you can't be bothered:

Research shows that people who start drinking before the age of 15 are at a higher risk for developing alcohol use disorder (AUD) later in life. For example, adults ages 26 and older who began drinking before age 15 are 3.5 times more likely to report having AUD in the past year than those who waited until age 21 or later to begin drinking.12

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sheets/underage-drinking#:~:text=Increases%20the%20risk%20of%20alcohol,(AUD)%20later%20in%20life.

I "can't be bothered" b/c I'm not making the assertion. This is one set of stats, which is helpful, for sure. But doesn't translate into "if you drink in HS you will binge in college."

[Anonymous]

2218x PP

It’s also the mindset that HS is the new college. HS students now behave similar to college students and are encouraged by parents.

Look at the pregaming before HS football games (parents and students), how proms and dances are as elaborate and as expensive as sorority and fraternity functions (party bus, sleepovers, after parties). Even HS graduation parties are boozy with parents and families combining forces and throwing huge backyard catered parties for multiple graduates. These parties always include an open bar and coolers of beer and wine seltzer.

Don’t get me started on Beach Week. Parents provide alcohol, stock fridges and even stay nearby to “chaperone” and then look the other way and drive kids to the ER, pay lost security deposits, intervene w/ landlords, rent the house in their names.

All done in the name of “preparation for college.” The parents think they are doing their
kids huge favors! The adults get to relive their crazy college days alongside their kids!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

I’ve heard the PP’s message before- that it’s better to try alcohol in high school than college. And absolutely there were kids who went wild with the freedom. But lots and lots kids drink heavily in college and I’ve seen no evidence that trying alcohol in HS minimizes college binge drinking.

I disagree. I grew up in a super conservative Baptist school/church community. When my classmates graduated and went to college they all lost their minds: it was drinking, drugs and sex 24/7. Heck, they even went gambling.
If there was a vice to be had, they through themselves into it.

It's 100% made me parent with more moderation. I know my kids have had alcohol (11th grade twins). I'm completely okay with this. My son has been drunk. He was miserable. That was 6 months ago (age 16.5) at a party. He hasn't had more than a single beer once or twice since. I wait up for when he gets home (believe me, when a teenager has had alcohol you can tell).
We talk about drinking, sex, etc all the time.

This is an extreme environment.

NP. It’s really not. This is our household, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are never hosting a boozy party and do not permit high school drinking. Nonetheless, if my kids were to drink, I’d prefer that they be doing so at someone’s house rather than random parking lots and fields where we drank as high school students. While I don’t want to allow my kids to drink, I also don’t want their first experiences with alcohol to be in college. I saw how that played out for many kids and it was not good.

I really cannot wrap my heads around this. So you want your kids to break the law? You do realize that drinking under the age of 21 is illegal and as this very thread pointed out, that kids and parents can and do get fined and jailed for underaged drinking, right?

What other crimes do you want your kid to get out of the way under your nose or their friends' parents noses so you can say they aren't doing it for the first time in college?

An adult experimenting with risky behavior, which is what college students are, is ALWAYS going to be far superior to an underdeveloped minor.

NP. Your line of thinking is just as illogical as the parent who hosted the party. A college freshman is still underage but with even less of a scaffold while at college. I don’t support my child drinking, but I’d rather we have conversations about how to handle this and they have a beer every once in awhile than start in college. You’re just one other side of the spectrum in the gradient of extremes.

Sorry, but you DO support teen drinking if your conversations are along the lines of your post. Tell yourself whatever you want but you are setting them up for a struggle with substance abuse for their whole life.

Bless your heart. My stance is very moderate. I do not support teen drinking, especially not in excess. I do not support drunk driving. Your response is also extreme. Things are not black and white. You’re setting yourself up for a very strained relationship with your child, very likely when they’re an adult.