"Top 10" - what does that mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

Is Chicago regularly top 10 in most rankings outside of USNWR? It is a great school but I thought it was a darling more particular to USNWR and the DC Big 3's top backup plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

HYPSM = Elite of the Elite

Harvard and Stanford are the elite of the elite now. Traditionally the elite of the elite list is just HYP by the way. HYPSM is just a modern construct. I really would keep it HS now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

HYPSM = Elite of the Elite

Not Y anymore, too weak for STEM.

[Anonymous]

Also, for the SLACs can we please make AWS happen? It is already an established name and has a nice ring to it! People just get confused by things that can mean multiple things like the little 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

HYPSM = Elite of the Elite

Not Y anymore, too weak for STEM.

I don't think you understand what STEM is. Maybe Yale isn't quite as strong in CS and closely related eng fields (which it is investing heavily in now) but it is plenty strong in other science and math areas.
STEM misunderstanding is out of control in DC, which is funny because it is not viewed so narrowly in Silicon Valley where we moved from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

Is Chicago regularly top 10 in most rankings outside of USNWR? It is a great school but I thought it was a darling more particular to USNWR and the DC Big 3's top backup plan.

Yes it is very much outside the top 10 on most rankings. Someone combined the 8 most cited undergrad rankings and created an aggregate: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1117705.page. UChicago was ranked 20th in aggregate and was only top 10 in 2 out of the 8 most cited undergrad rankings. The only schools in the top 10 in all 8 rankings were actually Stanford, MIT, Princeton, and Duke. This aggregate is a better measure for which schools are the best because it doesn't allow schools to "target" or "game" any specific rankings - only the schools that are truly the best and have impressive core programs will stay consistent across multiple rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the SLACs can we please make AWS happen? It is already an established name and has a nice ring to it! People just get confused by things that can mean multiple things like the little 3

Pomona and Bowdoin have just as strong a claim to top LAC as AWS. Bowdoin has some very impressive grads under its belt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

HYPSM = Elite of the Elite

Not Y anymore, too weak for STEM.

I don't think you understand what STEM is. Maybe Yale isn't quite as strong in CS and closely related eng fields (which it is investing heavily in now) but it is plenty strong in other science and math areas.
STEM misunderstanding is out of control in DC, which is funny because it is not viewed so narrowly in Silicon Valley where we moved from.

No I understand completely what STEM is. Yale is not tops at a single STEM subject, whereas HPSM are tops in at least 1 STEM subject each. Harvard is tops for physics, math, biology, chemistry. Princeton is tops for physics, math, chemistry, cs, and engineering. Stanford and MIT are pre-eminent for all STEM. Yale is not tops at any of those subjects, I would be more impressed by a Penn or Duke grad in many STEM disciplines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the SLACs can we please make AWS happen? It is already an established name and has a nice ring to it! People just get confused by things that can mean multiple things like the little 3

Pomona and Bowdoin have just as strong a claim to top LAC as AWS. Bowdoin has some very impressive grads under its belt

Pomona I believe. Bowdoin is a stretch though. It was never included in the athletic Little 3 either. NESCAC wise, I stick with AW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the SLACs can we please make AWS happen? It is already an established name and has a nice ring to it! People just get confused by things that can mean multiple things like the little 3

Pomona and Bowdoin have just as strong a claim to top LAC as AWS. Bowdoin has some very impressive grads under its belt

Pomona I believe. Bowdoin is a stretch though. It was never included in the athletic Little 3 either. NESCAC wise, I stick with AW.

Bowdoin has more "big-time alumni than Pomona. Ken Chenault and Reed Hastings alone bring a lot of recognition to Bowdoin

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

HYPSM = Elite of the Elite

Not Y anymore, too weak for STEM.

I don't think you understand what STEM is. Maybe Yale isn't quite as strong in CS and closely related eng fields (which it is investing heavily in now) but it is plenty strong in other science and math areas.
STEM misunderstanding is out of control in DC, which is funny because it is not viewed so narrowly in Silicon Valley where we moved from.

No I understand completely what STEM is. Yale is not tops at a single STEM subject, whereas HPSM are tops in at least 1 STEM subject each. Harvard is tops for physics, math, biology, chemistry. Princeton is tops for physics, math, chemistry, cs, and engineering. Stanford and MIT are pre-eminent for all STEM. Yale is not tops at any of those subjects, I would be more impressed by a Penn or Duke grad in many STEM disciplines.

What are you using as your guide for what is "top" in a subject?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also, for the SLACs can we please make AWS happen? It is already an established name and has a nice ring to it! People just get confused by things that can mean multiple things like the little 3

Pomona and Bowdoin have just as strong a claim to top LAC as AWS. Bowdoin has some very impressive grads under its belt

Pomona I believe. Bowdoin is a stretch though. It was never included in the athletic Little 3 either. NESCAC wise, I stick with AW.

Bowdoin has more "big-time alumni than Pomona. Ken Chenault and Reed Hastings alone bring a lot of recognition to Bowdoin

I really like the school (a close relative went to Bowdoin too) but even they don't buy that grouping.

[Anonymous]

Guys, it's very simple. No point debating about endless lists. There are just two categories: Ivies and everybody else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guys, it's very simple. No point debating about endless lists. There are just two categories: Ivies and everybody else.

-The Cornell graduate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYPSM, Columbia, Penn, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech, Hopkins, in some combination.

Why do so many people group HYPSM? Private counselors really push it and push things like "top 10" when any ranking has a school in the top 10. At this point it really is HS and then a gap.
Top 10 is a completely arbitrary cutoff and there is no solid list. Several lists have Chicago and Hopkins outside the top 10 for example.

HYPSM = Elite of the Elite

Not Y anymore, too weak for STEM.

I don't think you understand what STEM is. Maybe Yale isn't quite as strong in CS and closely related eng fields (which it is investing heavily in now) but it is plenty strong in other science and math areas.
STEM misunderstanding is out of control in DC, which is funny because it is not viewed so narrowly in Silicon Valley where we moved from.

No I understand completely what STEM is. Yale is not tops at a single STEM subject, whereas HPSM are tops in at least 1 STEM subject each. Harvard is tops for physics, math, biology, chemistry. Princeton is tops for physics, math, chemistry, cs, and engineering. Stanford and MIT are pre-eminent for all STEM. Yale is not tops at any of those subjects, I would be more impressed by a Penn or Duke grad in many STEM disciplines.

What are you using as your guide for what is "top" in a subject?

No worse than top 5 in the US for a subject