No. No one cares about that dumb acronym, and people don’t consider LACs when talking about the top 10. |
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Harvard
Yale Stanford MIT Princeton Columbia Chicago Northwestern Duke Johns Hopkins I don’t add Caltech due to its extremely niche offerings and the fact that it’s so small. |
Take out Hopkins, add Penn |
Those pool Yale STEM grads (who are currently benefitting from big STEM investment and tons of research opportunity) will get over you not being impressed by them...someday |
I think PP was asking for the source used to determine top 5 in a subject. |
How do you not have Penn? Definitely need to remove one of Chicago/Northwestern/Hopkins to make space for Penn |
Very true if you are a borderline D1 athlete not looking to go to a Patriot League school to play
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Someone can't handle the existence of Stnaford Duke and mit |
| I still don’t get all the love for Duke. What is it exactly stellar in that makes it a top ten school? |
| I also don't think Yale deserves to be in the HYP, however their endowment is enormous so they will probably get their act together. |
| This debate is so utterly pointless akin to which supermodel should I date. All schools in the T20, T30 and T50 are fantastic and will present great opportunities to any student fortunate enough to get accepted and then actually take advantage of all the university has to offer. I worry that the Jared Kushner’s of the world squander these opportunities and “waste” the spot. The vast majority of applicants do not get into these schools, especially the so called T15. This debate is totally pointless in that regard. Given the enormous change in the admissions landscape, the superstars and change makers of the future will come from a much wider array of schools. There will be more duds from the so called T10. Second generation legacy from Princeton will fall flat, for example. Goldman, McKinsey, etc., already know this. |
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"Top 10" National Universities:
1) Princeton 2) Stanford 3) Harvard 4) MIT 5) Yale 6) U Penn 7) Northwestern 8) Duke 9) Chicago 10) Columbia Top 10 LACs USNA-Annapolis USMA--West Point USAFA--Colorado Springs 1) Williams College 2) Amherst College 3) Swarthmore College 4) Pomona College 5) Claremont McKenna College 6) Bowdoin College 7) Carleton Colege 8) Wellesley College 9) Middlebury College 10) Davidson College |
I agree with your national universities list, but no one considers SLACs to be part of the conversation when discussing T10 schools... |
Do NOT agree with your list. You just made it up. |
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1 Harvard
2 Stanford 3 MIT 4 Princeton 5 Yale 6 Penn 7 Duke 8 Northwestern 9 Columbia 10 Chicago/Hopkins/Caltech There are 12 schools people consider T10. No one considers Vanderbilt or Rice or WashU T10. The 12 arguable “T10” schools, plus the other three ivies (Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell) make up the Ivy Plus. It’s a pretty objective list of the 15 schools people would consider “top” colleges and there’s a gap after that. Case in point, with the exception of UChicago, who famously games the rankings, I don’t think any of those schools need to offer an ED2. The Vanderbilt Emory WashU tier schools all need ED2 for yield rates and to keep acceptance rates lower. |