Study on where DC criminals source illegal guns?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ATF is not allowed to have searchable firearms records. Therefore, most tracing requests for crimes using guns to nowhere.

It’s absolutely insane. They are purposely hampering law enforcement and the criminals just laugh.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/08/atf-non-searchable-databases/

There's a lot of that going around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Aren’t straw purchases a federal felony that can net somebody ten years in prison and a quarter million dollar fine?

Straw buying is very difficult to investigate and prosecute. You need to establish intent that the seller willfully knew he was selling firearm(s) to someone who shouldn’t have that firearm or who will go on to resell it illegally.

ATF has also been decimated by GOP budget cuts.

Unsurprisingly, you focus on the wrong end of the transaction. Straw purchasers seldom are one and done, and nice they’ve got them on the hook, the investigators follow the chain upward as in any other investigation.

You’re also missing the point. The activity getting blamed for criminals having guns is already a serious crime; for most criminals, mere possession of a firearm is a serious crime; all that in addition to whatever serious crime they misused a firearm in connection with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Aren’t straw purchases a federal felony that can net somebody ten years in prison and a quarter million dollar fine?

If only we had better mechanisms for detecting and investigating straw purchases. There's no central database or coherent mechanism to track whether someone's bought 200 9mm pistols in the last 12 months, and that's absolutely insane. And there's an entire underground industry that takes advantage of this, to feed criminals. Along with a dozen plus other serious problems and weaknesses that gunrunners and criminals take advantage of.

[Anonymous]

How about worrying as much about point of use as we do point of sale? As the Post article made clear, criminals with gun offenses are routinely not charged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about worrying as much about point of use as we do point of sale? As the Post article made clear, criminals with gun offenses are routinely not charged.

They also need to charge criminals with gun offenses. But to turn a blind eye to gun suppliers isn't going to cut it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Aren’t straw purchases a federal felony that can net somebody ten years in prison and a quarter million dollar fine?

If only we had better mechanisms for detecting and investigating straw purchases. There's no central database or coherent mechanism to track whether someone's bought 200 9mm pistols in the last 12 months, and that's absolutely insane. And there's an entire underground industry that takes advantage of this, to feed criminals. Along with a dozen plus other serious problems and weaknesses that gunrunners and criminals take advantage of.

All that said, if local criminals must turn to farther away red states for 50% or more of their guns, that shows that local gun laws DO work to impede straw purchases to some extent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see a cross-jurisdictional raid of the straw sellers & their brick & mortar shops by MPD. It would truly bring attention to the games being played by Red states governments to purposely flood Blue state with illegal firearms.

Honest question - is that allowed? Because if so, DC (and other states being impacted by straw purchses in red states) should abso-f-ing-lutely pursue this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’d love to see a cross-jurisdictional raid of the straw sellers & their brick & mortar shops by MPD. It would truly bring attention to the games being played by Red states governments to purposely flood Blue state with illegal firearms.

Honest question - is that allowed? Because if so, DC (and other states being impacted by straw purchses in red states) should abso-f-ing-lutely pursue this.

They'd have a jurisdiction issue but couldn't they still do some undercover work and investigations and then bring in ATF for a federal raid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Effin red states. The hypocrisy of the GOP that loves to point out Democrat city crime rates while ironically, red states' inability to crack down on straw purchase trafficking contributes considerably to democratic city gun crime.

Effing blue criminals. The hypocrisy of the DNC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Effin red states. The hypocrisy of the GOP that loves to point out Democrat city crime rates while ironically, red states' inability to crack down on straw purchase trafficking contributes considerably to democratic city gun crime.

Effing blue criminals. The hypocrisy of the DNC.

Get real. You red staters have a ton of crime of your own and you are the ones making it easier for violent criminals to get away with heinous deeds in the rest of the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Effin red states. The hypocrisy of the GOP that loves to point out Democrat city crime rates while ironically, red states' inability to crack down on straw purchase trafficking contributes considerably to democratic city gun crime.

Effing blue criminals. The hypocrisy of the DNC.

Why are you here?

Did you not see the title of this board? It's "DC Urban Mons and Dads." It's not "Red State Yahoos and Gun Nuts."

Why do you feel compelled to come here and be an idiot? Do you think we are missing something? Do you think we haven't heard the crap you come here and parrot from FOX News, Daily Caller and all the other far right mouthpieces? Because we have already heard it all. Do you think we don't think about your point of view? We do, and we still disagree. Do you think you're convincing any of us to change our minds? You aren't.

[Anonymous]

I have personally witnessed on several different occasions a panel type delivery truck with a large “NRA” logo on the side pull up to youths walking home from Roosevelt HS and sell them guns. I’ve also this happen at the Anacostia metro station and across the road at the Barry Farm basketball courts. The truck is always being driven by a pair of white men wearing business casual clothing and sunglasses. I would testify to this in court if I could.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Effin red states. The hypocrisy of the GOP that loves to point out Democrat city crime rates while ironically, red states' inability to crack down on straw purchase trafficking contributes considerably to democratic city gun crime.

Effing blue criminals. The hypocrisy of the DNC.

Why are you here?

Did you not see the title of this board? It's "DC Urban Mons and Dads." It's not "Red State Yahoos and Gun Nuts."

Why do you feel compelled to come here and be an idiot? Do you think we are missing something? Do you think we haven't heard the crap you come here and parrot from FOX News, Daily Caller and all the other far right mouthpieces? Because we have already heard it all. Do you think we don't think about your point of view? We do, and we still disagree. Do you think you're convincing any of us to change our minds? You aren't.

And who cares what you think?
These are not Republican voters committing these crimes in DC.
These are your fellow Democrats.
Facts matter except to fools like you.
Do you think I believe I can change your mind?
I dont. But, I do like to point out the obvious that completely goes right past you.
And its fun for me to do so!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ATF is not allowed to have searchable firearms records. Therefore, most tracing requests for crimes using guns to nowhere.

It’s absolutely insane. They are purposely hampering law enforcement and the criminals just laugh.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/08/atf-non-searchable-databases/

this is criminal negligence by the GOP. JFC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC: “But no longer is law enforcement seeing the majority of illegal firearms coming from Virginia. Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began firearms examinations in place of D.C.’s Department of Forensic Sciences 10 months ago, Geldart said, they’ve recorded a change in the source.

“Right now, primarily what we’re seeing are guns that are coming in from Georgia and North Carolina. Those are the two primary areas, and, of course, we’re working with the ATF and they’re working with the states and all of that to see how we start to curb some of that,” Geldart said.
https://wtop.com/dc/2022/01/dcs-geldart-illegal-guns-coming-into-district-from-southern-states/

Baltimore: “More than 1,000 crime guns recovered in 2019 traced back to Virginia alone. Another 2,500-plus came from other jurisdictions, including Pennsylvania, the Carolinas, Georgia, West Virginia, and even as far away as Texas.”
https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/section/community/iron-pipeline-gun-violence-out-of-state-traffickers/

Effin red states. The hypocrisy of the GOP that loves to point out Democrat city crime rates while ironically, red states' inability to crack down on straw purchase trafficking contributes considerably to democratic city gun crime.

Effing blue criminals. The hypocrisy of the DNC.

Why are you here?

Did you not see the title of this board? It's "DC Urban Mons and Dads." It's not "Red State Yahoos and Gun Nuts."

Why do you feel compelled to come here and be an idiot? Do you think we are missing something? Do you think we haven't heard the crap you come here and parrot from FOX News, Daily Caller and all the other far right mouthpieces? Because we have already heard it all. Do you think we don't think about your point of view? We do, and we still disagree. Do you think you're convincing any of us to change our minds? You aren't.

And who cares what you think?
These are not Republican voters committing these crimes in DC.
These are your fellow Democrats.
Facts matter except to fools like you.
Do you think I believe I can change your mind?
I dont. But, I do like to point out the obvious that completely goes right past you.
And its fun for me to do so!

What keeps going right past YOU is the FACT that if Republican voters passed sensible, responsible gun laws, there would be a whole lot less gun crime - not just in DC but EVERYWHERE IN THE US because it also happens in red states too - and when you look at the per-capita rates some of the reddest counties are even worse than DC for gun deaths. Is it fun for you to be embarrassed and proven wrong? Because, you just were.