I’m a Biden supporter and I think he’s playing a DANGEROUs game

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have Biden than the former guy, who’s just give Putin what he wants. But I am sick with dread at the dangerous game Biden is playing. I think we’re trying to topple him, thinking this is our chance. I fear that what we’re doing is just pushing him into a corner, leaving him with only one option: nukes.

Do we start planning for a 6-month stay in Wyoming or somewhere away from big cities? That’s crazy right? And yet as I type it I wonder if it’s just prudent at this point.

Americans are spoiled brats. We cannot stomach the truth. What do you think would happen if Putin uses a nuclear weapon? Do you think the rest of the world is just going to sit back and give him carte blanche? Use you effing tiny brain? It would be Armageddon.

Personally, I prefer fighting to being under Putin's thumb when he decides to annex Alaska!

Exactly, if you think letting Putin get away with this somehow makes a safer you are truly out of your mind

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.

Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.

Sure you are.

We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?

The alternative options are all worse and would have disastrous second/third order long term consequences. They've done a good job of staying calm and not getting baited. They also smartly got lend lease set up to get around any problems that might arise should Republicans get a majority in the mid terms. I'm more worried about Erdogan playing us than Zelensky. The Azeri-Armenian stuff is concerning.

Why is the Azeri Azerbaijan stuff concerning?

It’s just some caucasians beating up each other.

Erdogan is a very easy person to understand/deal with if you understand turkey’s geographic importance and respect the power that flows from that geography

Putin and Erdogan are very similar. Neither are difficult to understand and both have imperial ambitions. Just as Putin wants a new Russian Empire Erdogan wants a new Ottoman Empire. I'm worried about Turkey starting a second front (especially with Congress being pro-Armenian), things spiralling, and Turkey making a play for Dagestan/Chechnya. All of which make sense tactically from Turkey's perspective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.

Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.

Sure you are.

We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?

The alternative options are all worse and would have disastrous second/third order long term consequences. They've done a good job of staying calm and not getting baited. They also smartly got lend lease set up to get around any problems that might arise should Republicans get a majority in the mid terms. I'm more worried about Erdogan playing us than Zelensky. The Azeri-Armenian stuff is concerning.

Why is the Azeri Azerbaijan stuff concerning?

It’s just some caucasians beating up each other.

Erdogan is a very easy person to understand/deal with if you understand turkey’s geographic importance and respect the power that flows from that geography

Putin and Erdogan are very similar. Neither are difficult to understand and both have imperial ambitions. Just as Putin wants a new Russian Empire Erdogan wants a new Ottoman Empire. I'm worried about Turkey starting a second front (especially with Congress being pro-Armenian), things spiralling, and Turkey making a play for Dagestan/Chechnya. All of which make sense tactically from Turkey's perspective.

No one cares about Armenia except people who like the kardashians

Completely irrelevant

Btw Ottoman Empire crumbling a century ago lead to a lot of bad things btw — the issue with bro-ottomans isn’t their imperial ambitions but their Islamism

[Anonymous]

Yes, because appeasement of Putin has worked in the past?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, because appeasement of Putin has worked in the past?

I think that’s a false choice. I’m starting to suspect the Left is as lacking in critical thinking skills as the Right. That is tragically sad to write out. I think te Left’s principles are better, but I’m seeing a lot of sheep.

[Anonymous]

I want Putin dead and gone. I also want this successor to be a better option. And most important, I want the people of Russia, Ukraine, and Europe to be freed of this existential threat. How do we get there?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because appeasement of Putin has worked in the past?

I think that’s a false choice. I’m starting to suspect the Left is as lacking in critical thinking skills as the Right. That is tragically sad to write out. I think te Left’s principles are better, but I’m seeing a lot of sheep.

Putin won’t strike us homeland with nukes

Tac nukes used in Ukraine don’t affect USA long term

Their us however weakens Russia even more.

The cold blooded calculation is to goad Russia into using tac nuke in Ukraine

The entire world woijld turn on Russia and Russia would bleed out even more in Ukraine and Russia would destabilize further

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because appeasement of Putin has worked in the past?

I think that’s a false choice. I’m starting to suspect the Left is as lacking in critical thinking skills as the Right. That is tragically sad to write out. I think te Left’s principles are better, but I’m seeing a lot of sheep.

Putin won’t strike us homeland with nukes

Tac nukes used in Ukraine don’t affect USA long term

Their us however weakens Russia even more.

The cold blooded calculation is to goad Russia into using tac nuke in Ukraine

The entire world woijld turn on Russia and Russia would bleed out even more in Ukraine and Russia would destabilize further

No one is goading Putin into doing anything. Everything has been his choice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because appeasement of Putin has worked in the past?

I think that’s a false choice. I’m starting to suspect the Left is as lacking in critical thinking skills as the Right. That is tragically sad to write out. I think te Left’s principles are better, but I’m seeing a lot of sheep.

Putin won’t strike us homeland with nukes

Tac nukes used in Ukraine don’t affect USA long term

Their us however weakens Russia even more.

The cold blooded calculation is to goad Russia into using tac nuke in Ukraine

The entire world woijld turn on Russia and Russia would bleed out even more in Ukraine and Russia would destabilize further

No one is goading Putin into doing anything. Everything has been his choice.

You can’t really believe that. The West has made several stupid and testosterone-fueled moves too. I love Macron’s stern warning that we need to be prudent. While I like Zelenskyy fine, Biden works for the US, not for Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, because appeasement of Putin has worked in the past?

I think that’s a false choice. I’m starting to suspect the Left is as lacking in critical thinking skills as the Right. That is tragically sad to write out. I think te Left’s principles are better, but I’m seeing a lot of sheep.

Putin won’t strike us homeland with nukes

Tac nukes used in Ukraine don’t affect USA long term

Their us however weakens Russia even more.

The cold blooded calculation is to goad Russia into using tac nuke in Ukraine

The entire world woijld turn on Russia and Russia would bleed out even more in Ukraine and Russia would destabilize further

No one is goading Putin into doing anything. Everything has been his choice.

You can’t really believe that. The West has made several stupid and testosterone-fueled moves too. I love Macron’s stern warning that we need to be prudent. While I like Zelenskyy fine, Biden works for the US, not for Ukraine.

BoTh SiDEs.

[Anonymous]

The US approach has been one of the most successful short term foreign policy successes in decades. We mobilized a clarion to impose strong economic sanctions that has crippled the Russian military and its high tech industrial complex. NATO has been politically and militarily reinvigorated with two additional nations being admitted to the alliance. NATO and other nations have been able to supply Ukraine with weapons and technology without any major escalation or direct conflict. Putin is substantially weaker domestically with growing unrest. Hundreds of thousands of men have fled Russia and more than 57,000 KIAs. The US has demonstrated to aching its resolve with respect to Taiwan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US approach has been one of the most successful short term foreign policy successes in decades. We mobilized a clarion to impose strong economic sanctions that has crippled the Russian military and its high tech industrial complex. NATO has been politically and militarily reinvigorated with two additional nations being admitted to the alliance. NATO and other nations have been able to supply Ukraine with weapons and technology without any major escalation or direct conflict. Putin is substantially weaker domestically with growing unrest. Hundreds of thousands of men have fled Russia and more than 57,000 KIAs. The US has demonstrated to aching its resolve with respect to Taiwan.

*clarion = coalition

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d rather have Biden than the former guy, who’s just give Putin what he wants. But I am sick with dread at the dangerous game Biden is playing. I think we’re trying to topple him, thinking this is our chance. I fear that what we’re doing is just pushing him into a corner, leaving him with only one option: nukes.

Do we start planning for a 6-month stay in Wyoming or somewhere away from big cities? That’s crazy right? And yet as I type it I wonder if it’s just prudent at this point.

How are "we" trying to topple him?

He started an unpopular war and then resorted to conscription. His economy is falling apart and he has tension in the streets.

How is that all not on his own self-errors?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LOL at the MAGA trying to stir the pot.

Never voted Republican in my life. Masters degree from SAIS and strong believer in NATO. I am gravely concerned at how involved we’re getting with Ukraine.

Sure you are.

We’re on the same side. Do you have no concerns with what is happening?

DP.

None.

The civilized world is arming Ukraine against a supposed superior force that has invaded their territory, raped their women and shipped their kids off to adoption and retraining centers in Russia.

If anything, we should be doing more. I would hope the second russia is expelled from Crimea, that Ukraine is admitted into NATO so this never happens again.

[Anonymous]

Reestablishing the role of America as a leader and bulwark against naked imperialism on the world stage isn’t dangerous. Standing for human rights and in opposition to state-sponsored genocide isn’t dangerous.