DC asked people in jail how to stop gun violence

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this may sound crazy but I honestly think we should turn part of the empty midwest into a penal colony of sorts. There is nobody out there anyway so why not build a town and essentially fence it off in like Idaho or Montana. Kind of like Australia for the British. They'll have to learn a new way of life but they would not be allowed back out of the state

I don't think you sound crazy. There are so many of these dying, impovershed rural towns across this country (see thread about Cumberland). They will not come back for a multitude of reasons. For the people who have a chance at life, consolidate all those dying towns into one town in the county (like the county seat). The other dying rural towns that are far enough away - turn into towns for homeless or criminals.

So, essentially, build “Barter Town” from Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. Will male and female prisoners be allowed to coexist in this town for criminals? Who will be mayor?

[Anonymous]

While violent crime rises we hire expensive consultants to poll prisoners on their feelings. We’ll I am excited for the report they write that will get posted to some shoddy city website that no one reads and then to have the solutions proposed poorly implemented. Hey I’ll save you a few million dollars of tax payers dollars and give you a simple solution, remove violent criminals off the streets, put them in prison away from innocent people, and stop navel gazing and fretting about it. I’m sorry but fk anyone who is a violent criminal. It’s insane that you have more empathy for them than whoever they sent to the hospital. Stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this may sound crazy but I honestly think we should turn part of the empty midwest into a penal colony of sorts. There is nobody out there anyway so why not build a town and essentially fence it off in like Idaho or Montana. Kind of like Australia for the British. They'll have to learn a new way of life but they would not be allowed back out of the state

The good and decent people of Idaho and Montana don’t want your violent city criminal trash.

Better idea - fence off DC and let the criminals stay right where they are. You created them. YOU can deal with them.

LOL, yet despite DC trying to ban guns, your outside politicians override that and in effect arm criminals in DC.

And yet most places with a lot more guns than DC also have a lot less crime. Which proves that the problem isn’t guns at all.

Still waiting on a citation for this one. You must think policing is why Britain doesn’t have a gun crime problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Very interesting and sad. Because there are a lot of programs available that are similar to what is being described and yet…and yet.

Yes - this to me was the most interesting part. It tells me that we have the right approaches, but they're not targeting the right people. That those most at risk aren't the ones that are getting the mentorships and the activities, etc, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While violent crime rises we hire expensive consultants to poll prisoners on their feelings. We’ll I am excited for the report they write that will get posted to some shoddy city website that no one reads and then to have the solutions proposed poorly implemented. Hey I’ll save you a few million dollars of tax payers dollars and give you a simple solution, remove violent criminals off the streets, put them in prison away from innocent people, and stop navel gazing and fretting about it. I’m sorry but fk anyone who is a violent criminal. It’s insane that you have more empathy for them than whoever they sent to the hospital. Stop.

Do you understand that the people you're asking are in jail? No one is suggesting letting them out as part of this. They literally have already done what you're suggesting - removing these violent people from the streets.

They're trying to figure out how they got violent in the first place and get ahead of it for the next guy. Because your thing isn't doing anything until after a violent crime has been committed - and it's already too late for those victims.

[Anonymous]

I have a feeling that many of the people in DC's criminal system also attended or hardly attended DCPS. I am also guessing that most of them are barely literate or numerate. There may be learning disabilities, too. Not being able to function in society as a working adult makes things very hard - also not being able to use logic or reason well creates a chaotic life.

How about making prisoners attend classes and not be allowed out until they have completed at least the equivalent of an associate's degree? That is going to be their only chance for success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this may sound crazy but I honestly think we should turn part of the empty midwest into a penal colony of sorts. There is nobody out there anyway so why not build a town and essentially fence it off in like Idaho or Montana. Kind of like Australia for the British. They'll have to learn a new way of life but they would not be allowed back out of the state

I don't think you sound crazy. There are so many of these dying, impovershed rural towns across this country (see thread about Cumberland). They will not come back for a multitude of reasons. For the people who have a chance at life, consolidate all those dying towns into one town in the county (like the county seat). The other dying rural towns that are far enough away - turn into towns for homeless or criminals.

Oh, forced relocation of non-criminals. What a delightfully benign concept.

Yeah. End-Stage-Liberalism always seems to involve relocating huge numbers of people. Sometimes to mass graves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know this may sound crazy but I honestly think we should turn part of the empty midwest into a penal colony of sorts. There is nobody out there anyway so why not build a town and essentially fence it off in like Idaho or Montana. Kind of like Australia for the British. They'll have to learn a new way of life but they would not be allowed back out of the state

The good and decent people of Idaho and Montana don’t want your violent city criminal trash.

Better idea - fence off DC and let the criminals stay right where they are. You created them. YOU can deal with them.

LOL, yet despite DC trying to ban guns, your outside politicians override that and in effect arm criminals in DC.

And yet most places with a lot more guns than DC also have a lot less crime. Which proves that the problem isn’t guns at all.

Still waiting on a citation for this one. You must think policing is why Britain doesn’t have a gun crime problem.

No, Britain has a knife-crime problem (as well as a gun crime problem). And it’s the same sort of people as here - criminals.

I grew up in a town in the middle of nowhere where just about every single home had a rack of unsecured guns. And no one ever got murdered. Why? Because we didn’t have violent criminals. But we had tons of guns.

[Anonymous]

I don't care about what criminals think.

Ask the victims instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about what criminals think.

Ask the victims instead.

That’s racist or something….

[Anonymous]

Oooh, a real-life Thunderdome! That would be cool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While violent crime rises we hire expensive consultants to poll prisoners on their feelings. We’ll I am excited for the report they write that will get posted to some shoddy city website that no one reads and then to have the solutions proposed poorly implemented. Hey I’ll save you a few million dollars of tax payers dollars and give you a simple solution, remove violent criminals off the streets, put them in prison away from innocent people, and stop navel gazing and fretting about it. I’m sorry but fk anyone who is a violent criminal. It’s insane that you have more empathy for them than whoever they sent to the hospital. Stop.

I do public safety for a living, including violence reduction. The one thing that stood out for me was that many of these inmates didn't know about the programs DC already has, many of which are evidence-based. But if they can't reach the right people, they aren't very effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about what criminals think.

Ask the victims instead.

So, you're more invested in virtue signaling than stopping violent crime? Because people who care are going to look at problems from all angles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh so they asked car jackers and violent criminals in jail how to stop the violence? That’s great. And one of them said build incentives like a music studio?

This is the problem with progressives. They want to endlessly study the root causes of poverty, throw money at it, but not actually hold anyone accountable. Especially in this day and age with the reckoning of the last few years.

The city council will soon revise the dc criminal code so it’s “updated” (more lenient on penalties). They’ve already implemented such soft policies as the youth Rehabiliation act shielding violent criminals’ records until age 26. They’ve just started allowing folks with thousands of dollars of speeding tickets to be allowed to renew their drivers licenses in perpetuity without penalty, they don’t chase atv riders, there is no such thing as fare evasion, they hired at a cost of $9m last year “violence interruptors” which most studies show have no effect on preventing crime….the list is endless.

Rather than crack down, and incarcerate violent criminals to keep them off the streets, they double down on novel progressive policies, because apparently no one should be held accountable for their actions. Teens are let out when they commit gross acts of violence. Obviously, the statists are bad. Is leniency the answer? People will get away with what they think they can get away with.

We need to legalize all drugs and stop prosecuting non-violent drug offenses and prostitution. But if you car Jack someone or violently attack them we should not coddle you. I don’t care if you came from a single mother household, which is a massive percentage of those in DC, and were basically raised in the streets. It isn’t all society’s fault. You decided to attack that person and you should not get a music studio or get paid or whatever new tangled policy is drummed up by some consultant with a sociology degree.

? the criminals are being held accountable. That's why they are in prison.

Poverty + density breeds crime.

I think trying to understand why they turn to a life of crime and what could the city could do to reduce people turning to crime is smart. Better to address the root cause than simply put a big bandaid on top of the sore.

Law enforcement use criminal profiles to understand the criminal mind. Why is it not a good idea for the city to understand criminal minds, as well, so that they can get to the root of the issue.

I'm fairly certain most children don't wake up one day and decide to be a criminal. Most criminals turn to crime due to various reasons, and poverty and abuse at home are two big factors.

That being said, I don't think we should go easy on criminals, either. But, we can keep just jailing more people. 1. It's expensive to house prisonsers 2. we need workers in our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh so they asked car jackers and violent criminals in jail how to stop the violence? That’s great. And one of them said build incentives like a music studio?

This is the problem with progressives. They want to endlessly study the root causes of poverty, throw money at it, but not actually hold anyone accountable. Especially in this day and age with the reckoning of the last few years.

The city council will soon revise the dc criminal code so it’s “updated” (more lenient on penalties). They’ve already implemented such soft policies as the youth Rehabiliation act shielding violent criminals’ records until age 26. They’ve just started allowing folks with thousands of dollars of speeding tickets to be allowed to renew their drivers licenses in perpetuity without penalty, they don’t chase atv riders, there is no such thing as fare evasion, they hired at a cost of $9m last year “violence interruptors” which most studies show have no effect on preventing crime….the list is endless.

Rather than crack down, and incarcerate violent criminals to keep them off the streets, they double down on novel progressive policies, because apparently no one should be held accountable for their actions. Teens are let out when they commit gross acts of violence. Obviously, the statists are bad. Is leniency the answer? People will get away with what they think they can get away with.

We need to legalize all drugs and stop prosecuting non-violent drug offenses and prostitution. But if you car Jack someone or violently attack them we should not coddle you. I don’t care if you came from a single mother household, which is a massive percentage of those in DC, and were basically raised in the streets. It isn’t all society’s fault. You decided to attack that person and you should not get a music studio or get paid or whatever new tangled policy is drummed up by some consultant with a sociology degree.

? the criminals are being held accountable. That's why they are in prison.

Poverty + density breeds crime.

I think trying to understand why they turn to a life of crime and what could the city could do to reduce people turning to crime is smart. Better to address the root cause than simply put a big bandaid on top of the sore.

Law enforcement use criminal profiles to understand the criminal mind. Why is it not a good idea for the city to understand criminal minds, as well, so that they can get to the root of the issue.

I'm fairly certain most children don't wake up one day and decide to be a criminal. Most criminals turn to crime due to various reasons, and poverty and abuse at home are two big factors.

That being said, I don't think we should go easy on criminals, either. But, we can keep just jailing more people. 1. It's expensive to house prisonsers 2. we need workers in our society.

We have studied why people commit crimes for centuries. There are studies galore. Continuing to study it is basically a deflection of actually tackling the problem.

Here are some causes for crime to happen in young kids in dc: boredom, lead pipes, no dads around, single mom household, peer pressure, studying is frowned up on as uncool, stealing cars to joyride and post on Instagram, there are no consequences and dc keeps making it easier to commit crimes if there is no strict penalty, there ya go! That’s why we have crime. Study complete. Can we now arrest violent criminals? We have tons of summer programs and jobs programs and at risk programs and programs galore! So that’s another thing on your deflection checklist that you can’t fall back on. We know the causes and we also know there is a lot of help out there. Can we now actually enforce laws and tackle violent crime with something tougher than harsh words and restorative justice?