New Covid study from UK shows brain damage - what do you make of this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v3?fbclid=IwAR0wvhudSPWAriuTm3oO0V3ZfZzO61p_QFN49DK-DjBrW2MOKQRcI5vNsFs

A recent study from the UK reviewed brain scans of 785 people from before and after the pandemic began (a strength of the study is they compared scans of the *same* people, and included a control group) to measure changes to the brain across time. It study found that the people who had tested positive for COVID had significant brain damage, including loss of gray matter among other damages to brain tissue. The pathological changes to the brain were matched by evidence of cognitive decline in tests that assessed the cognitive function of the cohort. The findings held firm even with those who had mild cases of COVID.

Note that this is pre-print paper that is undergoing peer review.

I’m trying to decide whether to send my unvaxxed kid to school Monday and am so demoralized.

Do you have a child 51 or older?

"We studied the possible brain changes associated with the coronavirus infection using multimodal MRI data from 785 adult participants (aged 51–81)."

You think that coincidentally they picked a lower boundary for age that's where this side effect cuts off? That because they didn't look for this in 50 year olds, then 50 year old must not exhibit this symptom?

No, but I wouldn't assume one way or another that it impacts children the same way. Are you always so literal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scientist Andrew Ewing is good to follow on this, and has some of the most extensive collections on Covid 19 brain research:
https://twitter.com/AndrewEwing11/status/1469781019993821184

Also, this thread goes over highlights:

You want me to get my medical news from some guy that says he’s a “science teacher?” So, at best, he’s a high school football coach?

You are free to look directly at the source data.

Feel free to provide that…this tweet is just a tweet of a tweet taking bits and pieces from all over. Doubt you tracked down all this to see if any of these studies are legitimate.

This issue was discussed this summer…why are these guys (who aren’t researchers in this area) tweeting about it now? Seeking attention?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v3?fbclid=IwAR0wvhudSPWAriuTm3oO0V3ZfZzO61p_QFN49DK-DjBrW2MOKQRcI5vNsFs

A recent study from the UK reviewed brain scans of 785 people from before and after the pandemic began (a strength of the study is they compared scans of the *same* people, and included a control group) to measure changes to the brain across time. It study found that the people who had tested positive for COVID had significant brain damage, including loss of gray matter among other damages to brain tissue. The pathological changes to the brain were matched by evidence of cognitive decline in tests that assessed the cognitive function of the cohort. The findings held firm even with those who had mild cases of COVID.

Note that this is pre-print paper that is undergoing peer review.

I’m trying to decide whether to send my unvaxxed kid to school Monday and am so demoralized.

Do you have a child 51 or older?

"We studied the possible brain changes associated with the coronavirus infection using multimodal MRI data from 785 adult participants (aged 51–81)."

You think that coincidentally they picked a lower boundary for age that's where this side effect cuts off? That because they didn't look for this in 50 year olds, then 50 year old must not exhibit this symptom?

No, but I wouldn't assume one way or another that it impacts children the same way. Are you always so literal?

The only thing I would assume from this is that more research is needed.

But, I generally try to protect my kids from things that have a chance of being harmful. I don't wait to protect them until I know for sure. The reality is that there is a lot we don't know about long term effects of covid on kids, and yet many people have decided that they can assume it's a "mild cold", or that it's not harmful.

[Anonymous]

Here’s an article about a young (26), healthy woman who suffered brain inflammation after having Covid

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-08-09-young-healthy-woman-suffers-brain-inflammation-after-mild-covid-19-infection.aspx

The article talks about how patients often experience neurological problems, such as headaches, anxiety, depression and cognitive issues, which can persist long after other symptoms have resolved. The woman in the article had multiple lesions in the right frontoparietal region of the brain, which is involved in motor control and sensation of the left side of the body. A biopsy revealed CNS lymphocytic vasculitis — inflammation or swelling of blood vessels in the brain and spine.

[Anonymous]

Happened during the Great influenza, but they didn't discover the link with viral Parkinson's until much later. Now researchers know to look out for this sort of thing. (Source: my great grandmother had Parkinson's that was attributed to her bout of influenza during 1918.)

https://massivesci.com/articles/viral-parkinsonism-parkinsons-disease-motor-neuron-substantia-nigra-spanish-flu-weev/
Epidemiologists have determined that Spanish Influenza survivors have a 2-3x higher risk of developing Parkinson's Disease, now termed Viral Parkinsonism, compared to those who did not come into contact with the virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/
Given the recent paper by Jang et al. on “A Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus” which reported a novel animal model of parkinsonism, we aimed to perform a complete historical review of the 20th and 21st century literature on parkinsonism and neurological manifestations of influenza.

Not scare tactics, this is basically common knowledge..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article about a young (26), healthy woman who suffered brain inflammation after having Covid

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-08-09-young-healthy-woman-suffers-brain-inflammation-after-mild-covid-19-infection.aspx

The article talks about how patients often experience neurological problems, such as headaches, anxiety, depression and cognitive issues, which can persist long after other symptoms have resolved. The woman in the article had multiple lesions in the right frontoparietal region of the brain, which is involved in motor control and sensation of the left side of the body. A biopsy revealed CNS lymphocytic vasculitis — inflammation or swelling of blood vessels in the brain and spine.

Anecdotal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Scientist Andrew Ewing is good to follow on this, and has some of the most extensive collections on Covid 19 brain research:
https://twitter.com/AndrewEwing11/status/1469781019993821184

Also, this thread goes over highlights:

You want me to get my medical news from some guy that says he’s a “science teacher?” So, at best, he’s a high school football coach?

You are free to look directly at the source data.

Feel free to provide that…this tweet is just a tweet of a tweet taking bits and pieces from all over. Doubt you tracked down all this to see if any of these studies are legitimate.

This issue was discussed this summer…why are these guys (who aren’t researchers in this area) tweeting about it now? Seeking attention?

If you want to have a conversation in good faith, I'm all ears. But considering you called a high school physics teacher at best a football coach, and now assume I haven't read through these myself, my guess is no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article about a young (26), healthy woman who suffered brain inflammation after having Covid

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-08-09-young-healthy-woman-suffers-brain-inflammation-after-mild-covid-19-infection.aspx

The article talks about how patients often experience neurological problems, such as headaches, anxiety, depression and cognitive issues, which can persist long after other symptoms have resolved. The woman in the article had multiple lesions in the right frontoparietal region of the brain, which is involved in motor control and sensation of the left side of the body. A biopsy revealed CNS lymphocytic vasculitis — inflammation or swelling of blood vessels in the brain and spine.

Anecdotal

Yet still could happen to a young person you know. But keep it up with the b*tchy dismissiveness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article about a young (26), healthy woman who suffered brain inflammation after having Covid

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-08-09-young-healthy-woman-suffers-brain-inflammation-after-mild-covid-19-infection.aspx

The article talks about how patients often experience neurological problems, such as headaches, anxiety, depression and cognitive issues, which can persist long after other symptoms have resolved. The woman in the article had multiple lesions in the right frontoparietal region of the brain, which is involved in motor control and sensation of the left side of the body. A biopsy revealed CNS lymphocytic vasculitis — inflammation or swelling of blood vessels in the brain and spine.

Anecdotal

Could also get hit by lightening but still let them outside

Yet still could happen to a young person you know. But keep it up with the b*tchy dismissiveness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Happened during the Great influenza, but they didn't discover the link with viral Parkinson's until much later. Now researchers know to look out for this sort of thing. (Source: my great grandmother had Parkinson's that was attributed to her bout of influenza during 1918.)

https://massivesci.com/articles/viral-parkinsonism-parkinsons-disease-motor-neuron-substantia-nigra-spanish-flu-weev/
Epidemiologists have determined that Spanish Influenza survivors have a 2-3x higher risk of developing Parkinson's Disease, now termed Viral Parkinsonism, compared to those who did not come into contact with the virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/
Given the recent paper by Jang et al. on “A Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus” which reported a novel animal model of parkinsonism, we aimed to perform a complete historical review of the 20th and 21st century literature on parkinsonism and neurological manifestations of influenza.

Not scare tactics, this is basically common knowledge..

And the research on macaques getting Lewy Bodies after Covid 19 infection was fairly concerning. They were asymptomatic, and yet they all got Lewy Bodies. If that happens in humans, it will be horrendous.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.23.432474v2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Happened during the Great influenza, but they didn't discover the link with viral Parkinson's until much later. Now researchers know to look out for this sort of thing. (Source: my great grandmother had Parkinson's that was attributed to her bout of influenza during 1918.)

https://massivesci.com/articles/viral-parkinsonism-parkinsons-disease-motor-neuron-substantia-nigra-spanish-flu-weev/
Epidemiologists have determined that Spanish Influenza survivors have a 2-3x higher risk of developing Parkinson's Disease, now termed Viral Parkinsonism, compared to those who did not come into contact with the virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/
Given the recent paper by Jang et al. on “A Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus” which reported a novel animal model of parkinsonism, we aimed to perform a complete historical review of the 20th and 21st century literature on parkinsonism and neurological manifestations of influenza.

Not scare tactics, this is basically common knowledge..

The studies on Parkinson's disease and relationship to influenza, avian flu, Hep C etc are pretty compelling. My sister is a scientist in the UK and says, other than risk of death based on any underlying conditions and personal vulnerability, this is the main reason you should avoid COVID. The neurological effects, anosmia, etc. seem to be key indicators of such a connection, which are not seen with other common corona viruses. I once had a strep throat diagnosis which I treated immediately with antibiotics, but ultimately developed into acute rheumatic disease--so i know first hand that a common illness can have surprising and long term effects well after the initial symptoms resolve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happened during the Great influenza, but they didn't discover the link with viral Parkinson's until much later. Now researchers know to look out for this sort of thing. (Source: my great grandmother had Parkinson's that was attributed to her bout of influenza during 1918.)

https://massivesci.com/articles/viral-parkinsonism-parkinsons-disease-motor-neuron-substantia-nigra-spanish-flu-weev/
Epidemiologists have determined that Spanish Influenza survivors have a 2-3x higher risk of developing Parkinson's Disease, now termed Viral Parkinsonism, compared to those who did not come into contact with the virus.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/
Given the recent paper by Jang et al. on “A Highly Pathogenic H5N1 Influenza Virus” which reported a novel animal model of parkinsonism, we aimed to perform a complete historical review of the 20th and 21st century literature on parkinsonism and neurological manifestations of influenza.

Not scare tactics, this is basically common knowledge..

The studies on Parkinson's disease and relationship to influenza, avian flu, Hep C etc are pretty compelling. My sister is a scientist in the UK and says, other than risk of death based on any underlying conditions and personal vulnerability, this is the main reason you should avoid COVID. The neurological effects, anosmia, etc. seem to be key indicators of such a connection, which are not seen with other common corona viruses. I once had a strep throat diagnosis which I treated immediately with antibiotics, but ultimately developed into acute rheumatic disease--so i know first hand that a common illness can have surprising and long term effects well after the initial symptoms resolve.

Yes, that has been my main reason for avoiding it as well. I am so tired of the endless threads on here of people saying "your risk is low", "it's just a cold", "after I got it I realized it was no big deal and why did I waste time living in fear" yada yada, when you know these people are not looking at any of the research, and are likely the first to dismiss it because they are ready to be over the pandemic. My biggest area of concern is what is going to happen next week with Omicron infecting more kids than ever. Already, 1 in 10 kids in America have had Covid. After Omicron, that will likely be much larger. If all these kids get Lewy Bodies, how does that manifest in the coming decades?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article about a young (26), healthy woman who suffered brain inflammation after having Covid

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-08-09-young-healthy-woman-suffers-brain-inflammation-after-mild-covid-19-infection.aspx

The article talks about how patients often experience neurological problems, such as headaches, anxiety, depression and cognitive issues, which can persist long after other symptoms have resolved. The woman in the article had multiple lesions in the right frontoparietal region of the brain, which is involved in motor control and sensation of the left side of the body. A biopsy revealed CNS lymphocytic vasculitis — inflammation or swelling of blood vessels in the brain and spine.

Anecdotal

Yet still could happen to a young person you know. But keep it up with the b*tchy dismissiveness.

How about from WebMD… “More proof Covid severely affects the brain”
https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article about a young (26), healthy woman who suffered brain inflammation after having Covid

https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-08-09-young-healthy-woman-suffers-brain-inflammation-after-mild-covid-19-infection.aspx

The article talks about how patients often experience neurological problems, such as headaches, anxiety, depression and cognitive issues, which can persist long after other symptoms have resolved. The woman in the article had multiple lesions in the right frontoparietal region of the brain, which is involved in motor control and sensation of the left side of the body. A biopsy revealed CNS lymphocytic vasculitis — inflammation or swelling of blood vessels in the brain and spine.

Webmd? Really?
Anecdotal

Yet still could happen to a young person you know. But keep it up with the b*tchy dismissiveness.

How about from WebMD… “More proof Covid severely affects the brain”
https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus

[Anonymous]

OP here. So anyone else with young kids really struggling to decide what to do? I could keep my kid home but it would be very hard. But it feels selfish not to, at least for a few more weeks.