Midwife charged in DC? Karen Carr, CPM...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSQcbwr7zgQ

at around 3:22 they start talking about the "newborn nursery" where all babies are taken 90 minutes after birth. Not saying this is a bad hospital, but separating moms and babies to take babies to a nursery is not an evidence-based practice as far as I know.

OMG! I get soooo mad at these robotic drones who sacrifice their freewill and take basically a birth goddess to the medical/pharmaceutical/industrial complex where these babies are birth raped and mothers are drugged under florescent lights and surrounded by bleeping and blinking technological trappings such as monitors and IV drips and the skeletal spider-like tentacles of pseduo-society. I'll bet that hospital nursery even has little chemically laden Chinese cotton knit hats that are chemically died bluish or pinkish and then forcibly head raped onto the baby's young skulls. You show me one group -- ONE GROUP -- in nature that forces the newborn organism offspring to wear constricting headware so the creatures can immediately conform to society's definition of "male" or "female." And what if this young newborn organism is specifically a "male" gender identifier, but is forced into a pinkish chemically dyed hat while a defenseless organism.

Is it any wonder that society is so wrong headed?

This is a joke, right? A superbly written but mean joke, right? NO? Aw… man… Fine:


“people who flaunt within a culture that is laden with psychotropic drug cocktail-think.”
So anyone who doesn’t categorically reject modern medicine is afflicted with this? Right.

Obviously, home birth in any state, regardless of how the legal/political/industrial complex defines it for you, is always safer than entering a biotic flea market of which is the hospital/factory/whorehouse.
So I take it you’ve never (and will never) gone to any public setting, nor will you take your child to one. CHECK. And that your home is perfectly sterile with only the “good kind” and “right amount” of biotic materials to healthily expose your children for resistance to build up well without ever succumbing to it. CHECK.

“Only those who break through this mold and grasp a natural and normal method will find themselves elucidated by the experience of birth. “

Forgot it was an experience and not a physiological occurrence designed by nature to be as challenging as possible to ensure that only the fittest survive despite that we currently live in a society that does not limit itself by the laws of the fittest anymore, and that we do attempt to save the weaker. CHECK.


“When I took a workshop at The Farm,”

So your sources are automatically 100% correct while others are the opposite… because YOU decided it was. CHECK. Can you remind me of the logic that states that if I disagree with you as a layman, I’m ignorant, but if I do with experience as a midwife who disagrees with you or a doc, I’m corrupt?

“ traumatic brain raping of school and conformist cogs”
You’re right – let us all reject any and ALL progress from the past few centuries in favor of whatever YOU choose to be best.

“home birth midwives are the true saints of modern day society. When I obtained my CPM status,”

Yup… no messianic complex here.

“it is only a paper, but it represents my true expertise as a birth practitioner and guide, I entered a life with which persecutions and prosecutions could be evident and present.”

Yet those issued by others such as the medical community are meaningless though.

“Prosecution is the threat that all of live with and we are often driven deeper underground.”

Freeeeeeedome, BraveHeart!!!!!!!!!!!!

“I compare this to modern day Jesus Christs”

Of course you would.

“who spread good will and message and salvation through God/Goddess, with the knowledge that at any moment the Roman soldiers may come for you with the legal phalanxes and chariots of courtroom fire.”

Hope none of the babies you deliver are jewish.

“If this thread teaches us anything, it is that Karen Carr did nothing wrong. Do you really think the thought of five days in jail will destroy her or me for that matter. What I do is blessed by our God/Goddess, and at The Farm we readily understood that persecution by legal authorities is only the clenched hand of a 21-century man. “

Is that what you were voted “mostly likely to” in your senior HS yearbook? Oh, right… didn’t have one.


“Birth is an emergence and not an emergency.”

So that was YOUR car in front of me with that bumper sticker? COOL!


All right – home birthers, again, though I disagree with you due to the needs of unforeseeable emergencies, I’m happy to tell you I don’t think this person represents you.


Uh... I hope there's no gun pointed at your head to keep you from unthethering yourself from this computerized contraption that no other natural being uses to communicate... clothed in anything than a natural silk robe a worm as voluntarily woven for you... I mean, you can't go completely "natural" here b/c nudity would reveal to society what gender you belong to, obviously forcing their gender-bias onto their expectations of you.

Home-birth advocates, rejoice: one of your opponants does NOT think this "gem" over here represents you as people in touch with some amount of lost "nature" v. frigging nutcases.

Obviously, plebian-drone comformists like yourself are missing the larger point. In your defense, I feel that your lack of original thought or comprehension is quite common for people who flaunt within a culture that is laden with psychotropic drug cocktail-think.

Obviously, home birth in any state, regardless of how the legal/political/industrial complex defines it for you, is always safer than entering a biotic flea market of which is the hospital/factory/whorehouse. Only those who break through this mold and grasp a natural and normal method will find themselves elucidated by the experience of birth.

When I took a workshop at The Farm, it was clear to us all, more so than any of my traumatic brain raping of school and conformist cogs, it was clear to us all that home birth midwives are the true saints of modern day society. When I obtained my CPM status, and I agree it is only a paper, but it represents my true expertise as a birth practitioner and guide, I entered a life with which persecutions and prosecutions could be evident and present. Midwifery is illegal in my state. Of course, my state records top rates of lung cancer rates and obesity and domestic homicide. Prosecution is the threat that all of live with and we are often driven deeper underground. I compare this to modern day Jesus Christs who spread good will and message and salvation through God/Goddess, with the knowledge that at any moment the Roman soldiers may come for you with the legal phalanxes and chariots of courtroom fire.

If this thread teaches us anything, it is that Karen Carr did nothing wrong. Do you really think the thought of five days in jail will destroy her or me for that matter. What I do is blessed by our God/Goddess, and at The Farm we readily understood that persecution by legal authorities is only the clenched hand of a 21-century man.

Birth is an emergence and not an emergency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSQcbwr7zgQ

at around 3:22 they start talking about the "newborn nursery" where all babies are taken 90 minutes after birth. Not saying this is a bad hospital, but separating moms and babies to take babies to a nursery is not an evidence-based practice as far as I know.

OMG! I get soooo mad at these robotic drones who sacrifice their freewill and take basically a birth goddess to the medical/pharmaceutical/industrial complex where these babies are birth raped and mothers are drugged under florescent lights and surrounded by bleeping and blinking technological trappings such as monitors and IV drips and the skeletal spider-like tentacles of pseduo-society. I'll bet that hospital nursery even has little chemically laden Chinese cotton knit hats that are chemically died bluish or pinkish and then forcibly head raped onto the baby's young skulls. You show me one group -- ONE GROUP -- in nature that forces the newborn organism offspring to wear constricting headware so the creatures can immediately conform to society's definition of "male" or "female." And what if this young newborn organism is specifically a "male" gender identifier, but is forced into a pinkish chemically dyed hat while a defenseless organism.

Is it any wonder that society is so wrong headed?

This is a joke, right? A superbly written but mean joke, right? NO? Aw… man… Fine:


“people who flaunt within a culture that is laden with psychotropic drug cocktail-think.”
So anyone who doesn’t categorically reject modern medicine is afflicted with this? Right.

Obviously, home birth in any state, regardless of how the legal/political/industrial complex defines it for you, is always safer than entering a biotic flea market of which is the hospital/factory/whorehouse.
So I take it you’ve never (and will never) gone to any public setting, nor will you take your child to one. CHECK. And that your home is perfectly sterile with only the “good kind” and “right amount” of biotic materials to healthily expose your children for resistance to build up well without ever succumbing to it. CHECK.

“Only those who break through this mold and grasp a natural and normal method will find themselves elucidated by the experience of birth. “

Forgot it was an experience and not a physiological occurrence designed by nature to be as challenging as possible to ensure that only the fittest survive despite that we currently live in a society that does not limit itself by the laws of the fittest anymore, and that we do attempt to save the weaker. CHECK.


“When I took a workshop at The Farm,”

So your sources are automatically 100% correct while others are the opposite… because YOU decided it was. CHECK. Can you remind me of the logic that states that if I disagree with you as a layman, I’m ignorant, but if I do with experience as a midwife who disagrees with you or a doc, I’m corrupt?

“ traumatic brain raping of school and conformist cogs”
You’re right – let us all reject any and ALL progress from the past few centuries in favor of whatever YOU choose to be best.

“home birth midwives are the true saints of modern day society. When I obtained my CPM status,”

Yup… no messianic complex here.

“it is only a paper, but it represents my true expertise as a birth practitioner and guide, I entered a life with which persecutions and prosecutions could be evident and present.”

Yet those issued by others such as the medical community are meaningless though.

“Prosecution is the threat that all of live with and we are often driven deeper underground.”

Freeeeeeedome, BraveHeart!!!!!!!!!!!!

“I compare this to modern day Jesus Christs”

Of course you would.

“who spread good will and message and salvation through God/Goddess, with the knowledge that at any moment the Roman soldiers may come for you with the legal phalanxes and chariots of courtroom fire.”

Hope none of the babies you deliver are jewish.

“If this thread teaches us anything, it is that Karen Carr did nothing wrong. Do you really think the thought of five days in jail will destroy her or me for that matter. What I do is blessed by our God/Goddess, and at The Farm we readily understood that persecution by legal authorities is only the clenched hand of a 21-century man. “

Is that what you were voted “mostly likely to” in your senior HS yearbook? Oh, right… didn’t have one.


“Birth is an emergence and not an emergency.”

So that was YOUR car in front of me with that bumper sticker? COOL!


All right – home birthers, again, though I disagree with you due to the needs of unforeseeable emergencies, I’m happy to tell you I don’t think this person represents you.


Uh... I hope there's no gun pointed at your head to keep you from unthethering yourself from this computerized contraption that no other natural being uses to communicate... clothed in anything than a natural silk robe a worm as voluntarily woven for you... I mean, you can't go completely "natural" here b/c nudity would reveal to society what gender you belong to, obviously forcing their gender-bias onto their expectations of you.

Home-birth advocates, rejoice: one of your opponants does NOT think this "gem" over here represents you as people in touch with some amount of lost "nature" v. frigging nutcases.

Obviously, plebian-drone comformists like yourself are missing the larger point. In your defense, I feel that your lack of original thought or comprehension is quite common for people who flaunt within a culture that is laden with psychotropic drug cocktail-think.

Obviously, home birth in any state, regardless of how the legal/political/industrial complex defines it for you, is always safer than entering a biotic flea market of which is the hospital/factory/whorehouse. Only those who break through this mold and grasp a natural and normal method will find themselves elucidated by the experience of birth.

When I took a workshop at The Farm, it was clear to us all, more so than any of my traumatic brain raping of school and conformist cogs, it was clear to us all that home birth midwives are the true saints of modern day society. When I obtained my CPM status, and I agree it is only a paper, but it represents my true expertise as a birth practitioner and guide, I entered a life with which persecutions and prosecutions could be evident and present. Midwifery is illegal in my state. Of course, my state records top rates of lung cancer rates and obesity and domestic homicide. Prosecution is the threat that all of live with and we are often driven deeper underground. I compare this to modern day Jesus Christs who spread good will and message and salvation through God/Goddess, with the knowledge that at any moment the Roman soldiers may come for you with the legal phalanxes and chariots of courtroom fire.

If this thread teaches us anything, it is that Karen Carr did nothing wrong. Do you really think the thought of five days in jail will destroy her or me for that matter. What I do is blessed by our God/Goddess, and at The Farm we readily understood that persecution by legal authorities is only the clenched hand of a 21-century man.

Birth is an emergence and not an emergency.

OMG bring out the LOL's...loved this!

[Anonymous]

Obviously, plebian-drone comformists like yourself are missing the larger point. In your defense, I feel that your lack of original thought or comprehension is quite common for people who flaunt within a culture that is laden with psychotropic drug cocktail-think [...] Birth is an emergence and not an emergency.

This is a joke, right? A superbly written but mean joke, right? NO? Aw… man… Fine:

“people who flaunt within a culture that is laden with psychotropic drug cocktail-think.”

So anyone who doesn’t categorically reject modern medicine is afflicted with this? Right.

Obviously, home birth in any state, regardless of how the legal/political/industrial complex defines it for you, is always safer than entering a biotic flea market of which is the hospital/factory/whorehouse.

So I take it you’ve never (and will never) gone to any public setting, nor will you take your child to one. CHECK. And that your home is perfectly sterile with only the “good kind” and “right amount” of biotic materials to healthily expose your children for resistance to build up well without ever succumbing to it. CHECK.

“Only those who break through this mold and grasp a natural and normal method will find themselves elucidated by the experience of birth. “

Forgot it was an experience and not a physiological occurrence designed by nature to be as challenging as possible to ensure that only the fittest survive despite that we currently live in a society that does not limit itself by the laws of the fittest anymore, and that we do attempt to save the weaker. CHECK.

“When I took a workshop at The Farm,”

So your sources are automatically 100% correct while others are the opposite… because YOU decided it was. CHECK. Can you remind me of the logic that states that if I disagree with you as a layman, I’m ignorant, but if I do with experience as a midwife who disagrees with you or a doc, I’m corrupt?

“ traumatic brain raping of school and conformist cogs”

You’re right – let us all reject any and ALL progress from the past few centuries in favor of whatever YOU choose to be best.

“home birth midwives are the true saints of modern day society. When I obtained my CPM status,”

Yup… no messianic complex here.

“it is only a paper, but it represents my true expertise as a birth practitioner and guide, I entered a life with which persecutions and prosecutions could be evident and present.”

Yet those issued by others such as the medical community are meaningless though.

“Prosecution is the threat that all of live with and we are often driven deeper underground.”

Freeeeeeedome, BraveHeart!!!!!!!!!!!!

“I compare this to modern day Jesus Christs”

Of course you would.

“who spread good will and message and salvation through God/Goddess, with the knowledge that at any moment the Roman soldiers may come for you with the legal phalanxes and chariots of courtroom fire.”

Hope none of the babies you deliver are jewish.

“If this thread teaches us anything, it is that Karen Carr did nothing wrong. Do you really think the thought of five days in jail will destroy her or me for that matter. What I do is blessed by our God/Goddess, and at The Farm we readily understood that persecution by legal authorities is only the clenched hand of a 21-century man. “

Is that what you were voted “mostly likely to” in your senior HS yearbook? Oh, right… didn’t have one.

“Birth is an emergence and not an emergency.”

So that was YOUR car in front of me with that bumper sticker? COOL!


All right – home birthers, again, though I disagree with you due to the needs of unforeseeable emergencies, I’m happy to tell you I don’t think this person represents you.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I'm pro home birth but I really wish the nutcases would stay out of this discussion. They are not helping.

[Anonymous]

How did you manage to miss that 16:34 is a parody? Obviously an anti-home birth person making fun of what they think homebirthers are like.

[Anonymous]

my goodness. this thread has dissolved into chaos. sarcasm, name calling, parodies (of home birth "think") and people mistaking parodies for reality and responding point-by-(fake)-point.

maybe that signals the end of a really long discussion?

[Anonymous]

Yeah I think we're done. When someone takes the time to write a lengthy, intellectual, sarcasm-laced post and THEN someone else takes the time to pick it apart line by line and actually takes the time to properly format all the quoting ... Not sure there's much more the rational posters can add.

[Anonymous]

I've posted a couple of times on this thread; I'm the one who had the hbac but also 2 C-sections. The fighting back and forth is getting a bit ridiculous. Let's face it- both those in the medical community as well as those in the "NCB" community tend to stretch their truth at times to fit their agenda. I've had one of my past OBs sit and tell me to my face that my chances of rupture (when I was planning my vbac before I switched to hb hafway through that pregnancy) were extremely high (when stats show they are really less than 1%, if you have only had one prior section with a low transverse incision) and crack jokes about midwives. At the same time, my NCB friends (including my doula, who I do love as a person but who has her own agenda as well) have demonized OBs and nurses and made me feel like I'm somehow a failure for "choosing" my 2nd c/s even when it was CLEARLY medically indicated (I am pretty sure my baby would not have made it if I had attempted to have another hb, I had a few serious complications come up at the end of the pregnancy). Btw I don't regret the 2nd C-section at ALL. If I have another baby it will be by C-section (my choice, if I really wanted to I could do another hb or use a MW group in a hospital that just started allowing vba2c)... my comfort level is just not there anymore, I personally feel I am no longer "low-risk", even though my doula would try to convince me otherwise (no knock on her, I respect her deeply but I also think she sees things very black-and-white).

Btw, everyone is saying how the mother was traumatized as a child because her mother died in a hospital... look, I have really bad OCD (germaphobic, hypochondriac- there are diff types of OCD but mine is mostly contamination fears, with a little ordering and arranging thrown in lol) so I understand where she was coming from. BAD. So bad I should have been put on meds a long time ago (been this way since my early 20s). I have always been terrified of disease and germs, this was partly the reason I had my hbac. That, and I wanted the best possible chance at a vbac. My Bradley instructor talked at length in class about how dangerous hospitals are because they harbor dangerous germs (NOT good for someone like me with OCD to hear). While there is truth to this I also think those in the NCB comminuty way overblow the risks. My Bradley instructor handed out a copy of a news story to each of us about a woman who contracted Strep A after a C-section and lost her limbs (in classic OCD fashion I Googled the crap out of that story and horrifyingly found another! That terror kept me from the hospital during that pregnancy.) Then after I had that hb baby I read a news story about a woman who had a homebirth who contracted Strep A during her easy, perfect hb (and also lost her limbs as a result)!!! Omg!! I was horrified! I forwarded the story to my Bradley instructor and asked her about it and how could it have happened when hb was supposed to be safest when it came to germs, etc? She said she didn't know and would find out more but never got back to me. It just made me realize that while yes, there are dangerous germs in hospitals, I am not necessarily safe at home either- even though the NCB community talks at length about how much safer hb is.

I want to add that I still definitely support hb (for low-risk mothers). But I think the fear-mongering about hospitals needs to stop. I know for me it was that driving fear that kept me out of the hospital for my 2nd birth (hbac), and obviously kept this mother out of the hospital when she needed it most.

[Anonymous]

PP here (hbac girl). Just wanted to add that at the end of this last pregnancy, when we realized I would need a (very necessary) C-section, a nurse in my OB office came up to me and said "Now aren't you GLAD you have a doctor this time??". This pissed me off because the attitude was very smug. I've seen the same smug attitude among those in the NCB community as well... both sides think they are soooo much better than the other. CHILDISH!!!!! I wish OBs, nurses, midwives and doulas would lose the "God complex" that some of them (NOT all of them!!) seem to have. This is about WOMEN and their BABIES- what is safest and best for that individual woman and that individual pregnancy! NOT what fits THEIR agenda.

[Anonymous]

PP, thanks for sharing your experiences.
I want to mention to all the mom's who are expecting, remember, you are the consumer. You call the shots. There are many OB"s and CNM's who support your right to have input into your birth process.
As a former hospital manager, I can tell you that many hospitals are DESPERATE to attract your business. Maternity and newborn services are highly competitive in the hospital industry. Hospitals are striving to make the birth experience as home like as possible. That is why there are now LDR rooms, (Labor, Deliver, Recovery) rooms, so that the mom doesn't have to be transported into a separate delivery room when she is about to deliver. That is why most hospitals now have private rooms in the PostPartum areas. Most hospitals have a NO SEPARATION protocol which is available if you don't want your baby to be examined in the Nursery.
A lot of progress is being made. Tour hospitals, interview doctors until you feel comfortable. Many, many women are ecstatic with how their hospital deliveries have gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, thanks for sharing your experiences.
I want to mention to all the mom's who are expecting, remember, you are the consumer. You call the shots. There are many OB"s and CNM's who support your right to have input into your birth process.
As a former hospital manager, I can tell you that many hospitals are DESPERATE to attract your business. Maternity and newborn services are highly competitive in the hospital industry. Hospitals are striving to make the birth experience as home like as possible. That is why there are now LDR rooms, (Labor, Deliver, Recovery) rooms, so that the mom doesn't have to be transported into a separate delivery room when she is about to deliver. That is why most hospitals now have private rooms in the PostPartum areas. Most hospitals have a NO SEPARATION protocol which is available if you don't want your baby to be examined in the Nursery.
A lot of progress is being made. Tour hospitals, interview doctors until you feel comfortable. Many, many women are ecstatic with how their hospital deliveries have gone.

Oh, really? And you purport these claims based on your allegation that you were a "former hospital administrator?" Oh, so you must be one of the good guys! Ha! I believe the ecstatic parents' emotions, if they really seem to someone else's consciousness to be in fact ecstatic, are actually part of a chemical reaction caused by the epidurals and various IV administered pain reducers, anti-inflamation drugs, hypertension drips, and mind-numbing fortifications of pharmaceutical psilocybin.

So read the above message! This so-called administrator clearly states on record and for all technological posterity that birth is a commodity to be marketed and advertised by corporate glossy postcards and stylish videographed commercials that arrive through the flat screen 3D plasma for those absorbent, distracted, and overfed automata. I'll bet this entire response from the so-called admin was cooked up around the polished and lacquered husk of a once beautiful tree spirit that was sacrificed to become the lap desk of corporate lap dogs. It's not enough that the medical/pharmaceutical/industrial complex cooked up this whole dilemma with Karen Carr.

It is a proven fact that babies are whisked away to the nursery to be blinded by hypnotic lighting, to be suckled with a Chinese plastic pacifier to prevent a necessary breastfeeding, and to be administered with a cocktail of psychotropic drugs to begin their descent into the quivering void of the mindless meat grinder contraption of man. Where else would hospital admins insert the microchips than during the innocent's descent into the nursery??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I have another baby it will be by C-section (my choice, if I really wanted to I could do another hb or use a MW group in a hospital that just started allowing vba2c)... my comfort level is just not there anymore, I personally feel I am no longer "low-risk", even though my doula would try to convince me otherwise (no knock on her, I respect her deeply but I also think she sees things very black-and-white).

OT, but you've got to share or at least give a hint. (I'm with you on much of what you've said, and have somewhat similar experiences.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I have another baby it will be by C-section (my choice, if I really wanted to I could do another hb or use a MW group in a hospital that just started allowing vba2c)... my comfort level is just not there anymore, I personally feel I am no longer "low-risk", even though my doula would try to convince me otherwise (no knock on her, I respect her deeply but I also think she sees things very black-and-white).

OT, but you've got to share or at least give a hint. (I'm with you on much of what you've said, and have somewhat similar experiences.)

Oops -- meant re the hospital VBA2C midwives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, thanks for sharing your experiences.
I want to mention to all the mom's who are expecting, remember, you are the consumer. You call the shots. There are many OB"s and CNM's who support your right to have input into your birth process.
As a former hospital manager, I can tell you that many hospitals are DESPERATE to attract your business. Maternity and newborn services are highly competitive in the hospital industry. Hospitals are striving to make the birth experience as home like as possible. That is why there are now LDR rooms, (Labor, Deliver, Recovery) rooms, so that the mom doesn't have to be transported into a separate delivery room when she is about to deliver. That is why most hospitals now have private rooms in the PostPartum areas. Most hospitals have a NO SEPARATION protocol which is available if you don't want your baby to be examined in the Nursery.
A lot of progress is being made. Tour hospitals, interview doctors until you feel comfortable. Many, many women are ecstatic with how their hospital deliveries have gone.

Oh, really? And you purport these claims based on your allegation that you were a "former hospital administrator?" Oh, so you must be one of the good guys! Ha! I believe the ecstatic parents' emotions, if they really seem to someone else's consciousness to be in fact ecstatic, are actually part of a chemical reaction caused by the epidurals and various IV administered pain reducers, anti-inflamation drugs, hypertension drips, and mind-numbing fortifications of pharmaceutical psilocybin.

So read the above message! This so-called administrator clearly states on record and for all technological posterity that birth is a commodity to be marketed and advertised by corporate glossy postcards and stylish videographed commercials that arrive through the flat screen 3D plasma for those absorbent, distracted, and overfed automata. I'll bet this entire response from the so-called admin was cooked up around the polished and lacquered husk of a once beautiful tree spirit that was sacrificed to become the lap desk of corporate lap dogs. It's not enough that the medical/pharmaceutical/industrial complex cooked up this whole dilemma with Karen Carr.

It is a proven fact that babies are whisked away to the nursery to be blinded by hypnotic lighting, to be suckled with a Chinese plastic pacifier to prevent a necessary breastfeeding, and to be administered with a cocktail of psychotropic drugs to begin their descent into the quivering void of the mindless meat grinder contraption of man. Where else would hospital admins insert the microchips than during the innocent's descent into the nursery??

I am laughing so hard right now. Great writing! Bravo, PP!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, thanks for sharing your experiences.
I want to mention to all the mom's who are expecting, remember, you are the consumer. You call the shots. There are many OB"s and CNM's who support your right to have input into your birth process.
As a former hospital manager, I can tell you that many hospitals are DESPERATE to attract your business. Maternity and newborn services are highly competitive in the hospital industry. Hospitals are striving to make the birth experience as home like as possible. That is why there are now LDR rooms, (Labor, Deliver, Recovery) rooms, so that the mom doesn't have to be transported into a separate delivery room when she is about to deliver. That is why most hospitals now have private rooms in the PostPartum areas. Most hospitals have a NO SEPARATION protocol which is available if you don't want your baby to be examined in the Nursery.
A lot of progress is being made. Tour hospitals, interview doctors until you feel comfortable. Many, many women are ecstatic with how their hospital deliveries have gone.

Oh, really? And you purport these claims based on your allegation that you were a "former hospital administrator?" Oh, so you must be one of the good guys! Ha! I believe the ecstatic parents' emotions, if they really seem to someone else's consciousness to be in fact ecstatic, are actually part of a chemical reaction caused by the epidurals and various IV administered pain reducers, anti-inflamation drugs, hypertension drips, and mind-numbing fortifications of pharmaceutical psilocybin.

So read the above message! This so-called administrator clearly states on record and for all technological posterity that birth is a commodity to be marketed and advertised by corporate glossy postcards and stylish videographed commercials that arrive through the flat screen 3D plasma for those absorbent, distracted, and overfed automata. I'll bet this entire response from the so-called admin was cooked up around the polished and lacquered husk of a once beautiful tree spirit that was sacrificed to become the lap desk of corporate lap dogs. It's not enough that the medical/pharmaceutical/industrial complex cooked up this whole dilemma with Karen Carr.

It is a proven fact that babies are whisked away to the nursery to be blinded by hypnotic lighting, to be suckled with a Chinese plastic pacifier to prevent a necessary breastfeeding, and to be administered with a cocktail of psychotropic drugs to begin their descent into the quivering void of the mindless meat grinder contraption of man. Where else would hospital admins insert the microchips than during the innocent's descent into the nursery??

Hbac girl here.
That's a bit much, don't you think? The hospital I had my C-sections at is VERY baby and mother friendly... they really PUSH rooming in, there are private rooms, they PUSH breastfeeding, etc. Most of my nurses were amazing. Sure it was different than my home birth, but honestly not *worse*, at least to me, as far as surgical deliveries go. I told the doc and staff I did not want sedatives put in my IV, that I wanted baby latched on as soon as they wheeled me out of the OR, etc, they did everything I asked and were respectful. One of my nurses was also a LC on the weekends and she helped a lot when I was having trouble with breastfeeding positions since I had had a C-section. She would come as soon as I pushed the call button and work with me to get my baby in the right position and help with latching, etc. She always had a loving attitude and I felt like she really cared. Stop acting like everyone is going to love having a hb... my hb experience was good but also bad. Good because I got to have a vaginal birth. Bad because the pain was SO BAD that I wanted someone to hit me over the head with a frying pan and knock me out. Most of my memories from that hb are of me SCREAMING and crying in pain, begging for drugs. It was so traumatizing that I have yet to watch the birth video lol. Of course this is just MY story... I have friends that have birthed at home and they had minimal pain and they pushed their babies out in minutes (mine took hours). Sure, I won't lie... I was so PROUD of what I did and talked about it to anyone and everyone (eye roll). But now after my 3rd child, I realize... WHO CARES!!! Do I love my vaginal-birthed, home-birthed baby more than my C-sections ones? Not at all. Doesn't even matter now. But I do have 3 healthy, beautiful children...