FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.



Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.

You don't know anything about how FCPS runs high schools if you think having 9th grade in middle school is remotely feasible. What a logistical and administrative nightmare.

I’m very familiar with FCPS HS. People here just like to keep trying to push a round peg into a square hole rather than even considering something else. Education has really gone down the past 20 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I see now that it’s early afternoon the Langley posters have reverted to their usual crude and sullen behavior, which includes calling people liars when they quote directly from FCPS materials.

From the guiding policy passed by the school board that’ll be used by Thru or the spin from a staffer on the website? Because you quoted the latter.

All these materials refer to limiting "transportation times" and not just limiting transportation costs.

I'm sorry if this means something different than you understood but calling someone a liar was unnecessary and indicative of your inability to engage in a civil discussion.

Also, per the materials handed out at the regional meetings:

"Why a Boundary Review Now....Increased travel times for students caused by current school boundaries."

"Benefits of a Boundary Review....Minimizing travel time for students"

"FCPS Boundary Review Priorities....limit transportation times...."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.

Are you bussing 9th graders to the high schools for sports and extra curricular activities?

Do we bus the eligible 8th graders to the HS now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.



Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.

You don't know anything about how FCPS runs high schools if you think having 9th grade in middle school is remotely feasible. What a logistical and administrative nightmare.

I’m very familiar with FCPS HS. People here just like to keep trying to push a round peg into a square hole rather than even considering something else. Education has really gone down the past 20 years.

DP. It feels more like squeezing a balloon only to find it bulging somewhere else.

Also you refer to this as a solution prompted by "the 'haves' in certain districts won't commingle with the 'have nots'." History in FCPS shows that many of them will, eventually and after much grousing, but if they won't that will also provide capacity relief without taking freshmen out of high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the Chantilly / Centreville HS overcrowding could be alleviated by making them 10-12 and some western middle schools 7-9. That might help people avoid big, bad Herndon.

Thats a logistical non starter. 9th grade is high school.

9th grade is HS for magical reasons. It does not have to stay that way. In Fact some districts have had to change it for logistical reasons, sometimes temporarily. We have over capacity issues. We need solutions if the “haves” in certain districts won’t commingle with the “have nots.” I swear, we have a lot Sneetches around here. Many districts “have always” had 9th grade as part of HS. If we use that kind of logic, then maybe we should go back to grandpa’s generation when you were considered an adult at 16 and HS graduation was not a requirement.

Boundary changes don’t have to be entirely geographical. Especially since the priority on this site is property values not education. 7-9 grade schools could be a legit solution and is worth exploring.

Are you bussing 9th graders to the high schools for sports and extra curricular activities?

Do we bus the eligible 8th graders to the HS now?

No 8th graders play HS sports in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

No, this one was to protect Chantilly kids from going to Westfield.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

Good! I was not looking forward to having to work the concession stand with a disgruntled ex-Langley parent anyway!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.

To push back on the narrative that you all have, there are tons of GS-14 families in Great Falls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

Langley parents with money will use our money and connections (some of us already have😉). The people who stay either don’t have money to be able to avoid it, or will be the minority of families who aren’t as against the move in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

No, this one was to protect Chantilly kids from going to Westfield.

What's wrong with Westfield?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.

To push back on the narrative that you all have, there are tons of GS-14 families in Great Falls.

Are you seriously going to suggest Great Falls has as many feds or military as West Springfield? You aren’t buying a house in Great Falls on a single GS-14 salary without family money. Even for a dual-income GS-14 family your options in Great Falls are limited.

In any case, the prior point still stands - if they move kids out of Chantilly or West Springfield but not Langley there will absolutely be claims of favoritism. I tend to doubt it’s politically tenable for the likes of Dixit or Anderson to sign off on something like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is going to create an entirely new administrative system full of hassles for a small group of 9th graders just to prevent Langley kids from being sent to Herndon.

Langley parents will use the money and connections. No Langley kids will move to Herndon schools. It will cost them too much social capital to let that happen.

I think it all depends on what other boundaries they propose to change.

If they just focus on cleaning up elementary school attendance islands as a first step, no one will pay attention to Langley, which doesn't have any ES feeders with attendance islands.

On the other hand, if they propose to change HS boundaries, and don't adjust the Langley boundaries, they'll likely be criticized for favoritism towards Langley. The prime example would be if they move any families out of West Springfield or Chantilly to other schools. All those families live close to West Springfield and Chantilly, which have compact, contiguous boundaries. Try telling a GS-14 who lives two miles from West Springfield that they are getting moved to Lewis, but that Langley families who live a few miles from Herndon and 12 miles from Langley are staying put.

As for the social capital, most people in the county would either be indifferent or happy to see Langley's boundaries changed. Even at Langley, the people who live in McLean zoned to Langley and aren't at risk don't really care. It's the people in Great Falls who might get moved who would raise a stink, and "taking on" the likes of the Great Falls Citizens Association would enhance the standing of some SB members in their communities.

To push back on the narrative that you all have, there are tons of GS-14 families in Great Falls.

Are you seriously going to suggest Great Falls has as many feds or military as West Springfield? You aren’t buying a house in Great Falls on a single GS-14 salary without family money. Even for a dual-income GS-14 family your options in Great Falls are limited.

In any case, the prior point still stands - if they move kids out of Chantilly or West Springfield but not Langley there will absolutely be claims of favoritism. I tend to doubt it’s politically tenable for the likes of Dixit or Anderson to sign off on something like that.

Of course, I didn’t suggest what you accuse me of suggesting. I can’t tell you what my neighbors’ finances are, but I can tell you that there are a ton of government employees here.