2024 Democratic National Convention

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This is not a good sign.
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Anonymous wrote:Nailed it!




Have to admit, he has a good point.


I don't know if there was a response to that, but it's important to say what each Republican and Democratic president started with, and what each had to work with.

Obama's term started with one of the worst financial crises in recent times. He had a cooperative house and senate for the first two years of his two terms, and an obstructionist one for the remaining 6 years. Obama passed a healthy economy and no major crises to Trump. Trump had two years of a cooperative congress and two years of an uncooperative one. He passed a botched COVID response and a nation in crisis to Biden, who also had two years of a cooperative congress. It's pretty easy to get stuff done when a) you're not starting in a hole and b) you don't have to deal with people who are not acting in good faith.


This is a good point that doesn’t translate into an easily digestible talking point so it’s often overlooked. What did you inherit and what did you have to work with?


Bush 41 - recession => Clinton - balanced budget and growing economy
Bush 43 - Economic collapse => Obama - growing economy
Trump - Economic collapse => Biden - Growing economy

Imagine if the Dems had 4-12 years with a House and Senate to actually accomplish things rather than just digging out of holes left by GOP presidents.


Oh given more than 2 years with a filibuster majority to pass legislation. Every consequential period where one can see majority quality of life improvements in society resulted from times like this (e.g., FDR New Deal, LBJ Civil Rights but not Vietnam). I'm excited about Schumer dropping the filibuster and actually passing voting rights legislation if Harris wins, and Democrats hold the House and Senate.
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This is not a good sign.


Concern troll, concerning again. It's interesting that you care about policy when Trump literally runs on nothing but grievance. Hell, in 2020, they just included the same unchanged 2016 platform!
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This is not a good sign.


She has raised $500 million form small donors nationwide in a month. I think she is doing just fine.
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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama, I miss Hillary. I loved Michelle’s speech. Can’t wait for Bill’s. Thrilled for Kamala & Tim.

Damn we have a good party.


The Clintons need to fade out.


Honest question, did the Republican convention have any former presidents, vice presidents or former nominees speak?


I mean...no. Trump's version of the GOP (MAGA) is a joke.


But mostly boring AF.


The DNC production is amazing. It makes me want to go to a convention and I hate conventions!


It is a great festival! Even some reporters were rocking to the music

I have a friend who is part of the press at the convention. I can't wait to hear stories. And I'm an Independent. That convention was fired up and just pure joy. Someone put a video up of the comparison of the roll call between the RNC and DNC, and oh my, how embarrassing for the Rs.


Here it is: https://www.instagram.com/p/C-6j5-Xpqpa/

Thanks. RNC roll call was boring, old fuddy duddies. DNC delegates reflect the diversity of America; RNC delegates look like um.. not.
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The person who keeps baiting in here is so unartful about it. I'm kind of laughing at the attempts to stir things up. Friend, you just sound silly.
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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone going to the DNC? What do you want to hear? Are you pissed off they let Biden go? Do you think it can beat the ratings of the RNC ? KEEP in mind we had ours doing the summer vacation when everyone was at the beach out of town so we didn't have time to watch it.



I think most people ... wish he had done it sooner so that we could have an open primary.


Basically nobody cares if there was an open primary. That's a DC Beltway hangup.

No, that’s a Republican concern troll talking point.


Maureen Dowd had a column calling it a coup after she had been calling for the very same thing. Not sure if she's a Republican, but concern troll definitely fits.

Maureen Dowd has been a quiet Republican for about thirty years.
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Anonymous wrote:Biden did not time things perfectly. In fact, many Americans decided to vote for Trump during the first debate after they realized the media was lying to them about the Presidents health being well and news contrary to that being cheap fakes. Well, apparently it wasn’t a cheap fake


By all appearances it seems everything was timed perfectly.

Go Kamala!


If anything about the 2024 election is "perfect" in your opinion, you are nothing more than a gullible sheep with no recollection of what it was like when we had two functioning major political parties and legitimate POTUS candidates.


There is a process for a candidate to leave the race at any point. It is rarely used but it exists for a reason. Honestly, if the GOP had any game left they would use it now to get a stronger candidate in place before they get badly beaten in November.


"Rarely" used?? Tell me you know nothing about politics without telling me you know nothing about politics. Never, ever before has such an underhanded tactic been used to avert an open primary because until recently we had two functioning political parties with politicians that did actually care more about their country than themselves. We have the god awful choice between Trump and the replacement candidate because we're stupid and gullible. Just because the truth hurts doesn't mean we should deny it.

You seem really sore about being Republican. Maybe find another thread with more sour grapes like yourself on it.
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Anonymous wrote:Biden did not time things perfectly. In fact, many Americans decided to vote for Trump during the first debate after they realized the media was lying to them about the Presidents health being well and news contrary to that being cheap fakes. Well, apparently it wasn’t a cheap fake


By all appearances it seems everything was timed perfectly.

Go Kamala!


If anything about the 2024 election is "perfect" in your opinion, you are nothing more than a gullible sheep with no recollection of what it was like when we had two functioning major political parties and legitimate POTUS candidates.


There is a process for a candidate to leave the race at any point. It is rarely used but it exists for a reason. Honestly, if the GOP had any game left they would use it now to get a stronger candidate in place before they get badly beaten in November.


"Rarely" used?? Tell me you know nothing about politics without telling me you know nothing about politics. Never, ever before has such an underhanded tactic been used to avert an open primary because until recently we had two functioning political parties with politicians that did actually care more about their country than themselves. We have the god awful choice between Trump and the replacement candidate because we're stupid and gullible. Just because the truth hurts doesn't mean we should deny it.


Settle down, princess. Primaries didn't start being a significant factor in picking Presidential nominees until well after Donald Trump was born.


If not for the traditional primary process, Hillary would have been nominated in 2008. Presumably your knowledge of American politics doesn't predate 2016. Oh, the blind and ignorant do exist.
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Anonymous wrote:Michelle’s line about the affirmative action of generational wealth was a good one.


Perhaps for the dogma believers, but it's mostly nonsense when you consider how well so many immigrants do even when they come with zero wealth and frequently not even speaking English or having proper papers.


Well we do well because we do not take anything to chances because of the fear Michelle spoke about. We work 10 times harder than any other person in the same role. That is a lot of burden to carry our whole life.


That's not a "burden" but an opportunity the US gives us -- a much better opportunity that in most other countries, which is why we come here.


In the Michelle quote she was not comparing opportunities we had in another country to America. We are talking about inequality that still exists in America. I want to have the same opportunity, same second/third/fourth as an American as every other one. I want to have the same risk profile as white man and I would not ever have that. My racial identity does not allow me to learn from making mistakes and I spend a lot of my energy to be as close to perfection as possible in all aspect of my life. This is a burden not just on me, but my my children and their children!


That’s a you problem. Nobody told you to be a perfectionist to be accepted and it’s sad if you think striving for excellence in everything you do is a bad trait or that only white people can make mistakes. I don’t even get what that means. If you want to “make a mistake”, the party for you is the Dems. You can even abort your mistake on a bus for free if you qualify!

I am sure Barack and Michelle don’t think like that about mistakes and excellence. All the Democrat success story politicians used Republican ideals. I am also confused when the Dems say generational wealth= Republicans. Republican voters are largely poor. Trump voters are mostly poor not the moneyed elite. Trump is rallying at backwater towns in flyover USA, not at $25,000/plate Hampton and Beverly Hills dinner parties with donors .

The oligarchs/moneyed party and generational wealth party is the Democrat party. They get more donors and donations than Trump-largely from billionaires.


Yes, white Americans are given much more leeway and are a privileged class. URM, specifically Blacks and Hispanics have to be a perfectionist to be treated equally. For example, in peer-to-peer situations, blacks and Latinos earn less for equivalent work:


URM have to work harder and be higher performers to earn what average whites earn.

All minorities and women have to work harder and be stronger performers to have equivalent levels of promotion:


Figure 1: Minorities’ and Women’s Gross Estimated Odds of Ever Receiving a Promotion Relative to White Men *p < .05. **p < .01. ***p < .001.

Plenty of statistics gathered show that those who are white are more likely to be promoted in the armed forces, corporate and government environments than their non-white counterparts. Women are also disdvantaged, but minority women are disadvantaged rather proportionally to their white counterparts and relative to men of their races. So women and minorities do have to perform at a higher level or strive for perfection to be treated equivalently to average white males.

There is a lot of inherent systemic racism. In general people like to compliment, promote and honor people who are more similar to them. With more white males in positions of leadership, they tend first towards white men, then towards white women, then to minorities. It's not all, but there are a significant number of people in positions of leadership who do tend towards rating and promoting people like them more frequently than those who are not like them. And even if it is split rather evenly, that still gives a significant advantage to those who are of a race and gender with their supervisors/managers.

As for the comment about only white people get to make mistakes, the converse of the above is likewise true. People are more lenient to those who share a race or gender with them and are more harsh to those who are of a different race or gender from them. For example, black men in particular, but also Latino men and Asian men are convicted at higher percentages relative to those who are charged, than whites. Likewise, for those who are convicted, then generally get harsher sentencing. Whites are more likely to be given forgiveness and get convicted of the same crimes at a lower rate (not just arrested and charged at lower rates, but also convicted at lower rates). Whites are more likely to get lighter sentences for equivalent level crimes. In employement, minorities who make mistakes are more likely to be demoted or fired for offenses or mistakes than white counterparts. Employers, managers and supervisors are more likely to give more lenient penalties for mistakes made by white employees.

Look at cases like Brock Turner. He gets a pass because he's a white athlete and he got a very light sentence. Blacks or Hispanics, even wealthier athletes, do not get passes for equivalent level crimes. The judge was afraid that a harsher sentence would negatively impact his college and career. Judges rarely give those kind of considerations to non-white convictions. Yes, it's an isolated case, but it is generally true that blacks and Latinos have higher rates of arrest, higher rates of charges, and higher rates of conviction for similar situations. At every level from the police to the judge, URM tend to have higher rates of negative results, not just total, but proportionally.
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PBS did an interview of Nancy Pelosi during the convention. She expressed her confidence in Harris, which made me feel better about the possibility of winning this election. She also said Hillary was the most qualified president candidate in her generation, even better than Bill Clinton. Love her interviews these days.





I am listening to her memoir right now and she has some things to say, that's for sure.

It was when she made those comments about Biden having to decide if he's dropping out, that I realized he had to and it would be better if he did. I really trust her instincts.
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Trump voters are mostly poor not the moneyed elite. Trump is rallying at backwater towns in flyover USA, not at $25,000/plate Hampton and Beverly Hills dinner parties with donors .


You are missing one piece...Trump is representing the billionaire class and using race and grievance to stoke fear and anger in "his voters" so that as leader, he can do the bidding of the Oligarch class to transform our country into something that looks more like Russia.
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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone going to the DNC? What do you want to hear? Are you pissed off they let Biden go? Do you think it can beat the ratings of the RNC ? KEEP in mind we had ours doing the summer vacation when everyone was at the beach out of town so we didn't have time to watch it.



I think most people are thankful Biden finally stepped away from the 2024 race and wish he had done it sooner so that we could have an open primary. Harris has a much better chance of beating Trump than Biden would have and relative to Trump and Biden, she can be trusted to be competent through 2029. Trump and Biden are already on the verge of incompetence. I can't imagine any American with an IQ over 90 voting for Trump or Biden in 2024. The last eight years have taught us that folks over the age of 75 can't be trusted to handle the demanding mental and physical tasks of the POTUS job.


Noooo. "Most people" are looking at this as the most astonishing change of fortune that we could ever have dreamed of. An open primary would have been ugly and split people up into camps. Dems are astonishingly united at this moment. Biden timed things perfectly, Harris launched her campaign perfectly - there's always room for things to go wrong, and we are not guaranteed victory by any means. But this is a real lightning in a bottle moment in our electoral history. Most people recognize that.


A tough primary is exactly what she needed to sharpen her debate skills and get her policies in order. Right now Kamala has zero training and will be expected to defeat Trump during the first debate in Sept when she hasn’t defended her policies or record during a primary season.

Primaries are there for a reason


People repeatedly say that she is bad at debates. She had problems in the open forum debates with multiple people. However, later in that same election year, when she had a 1:1 debate with Mike Pence, she came out great and helped her ticket. She was able to handle Pence easily and the ratings showed that the majority of people thought she had "won" the debate and her personal rating improved after that performance. Mike Pence came out looking worse.

And frankly, Trump is a much worse debater than Mike Pence was, especially now that he has had a significant amount of mental decline since 2020. His vocabulary has continued to drop to a grade school level and his mind wanders even more frequently. He used to be able to stay on topic for a paragraph or two, now he can barely go two sentences without starting to drift off-topic. It also takes very little outside influence to get him to wander off mentally. One word by someone mid-sentence and he's drawn to the word like a moth to a flame. People shout out "shark" and he will stop what he is talking about to defend his completely off-topic rant about boats, batteries and sharks. The difference in mental age between the two is stark and a debate will show that. He gives rallies and already he is looking like an old man. Harris will make him look even older.

She had a career as a prosecutor and many days of speaking and presenting her case in court. She'll treat him the same way and he will be on the defensive or off in the mental wilderness.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone going to the DNC? What do you want to hear? Are you pissed off they let Biden go? Do you think it can beat the ratings of the RNC ? KEEP in mind we had ours doing the summer vacation when everyone was at the beach out of town so we didn't have time to watch it.



I think most people ... wish he had done it sooner so that we could have an open primary.


Basically nobody cares if there was an open primary. That's a DC Beltway hangup.

No, that’s a Republican concern troll talking point.


Maureen Dowd had a column calling it a coup after she had been calling for the very same thing. Not sure if she's a Republican, but concern troll definitely fits.

Maureen Dowd has been a quiet Republican for about thirty years.



She's a 90s era liberal who is quietly appalled by this generation of progressives. One of many.
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