Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

The US has tried to help Palestinians establish a legitimate autonomous government and civil society in Gaza but they just turn the whole place over to Hamas as a terrorist haven.

Correct. And every time things get close to shifting in a positive direction, Hamas escalates. Like now. They don’t want peace.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

I've started and run 2 companies.

I gladly hire Muslims.

I would NEVER hire anyone who's publicly siding with Hamas ("resistance is justified") or is anti-Israel (Israel is "entirely responsible"), etc.

And no, I'm not Jewish. I just don't knowingly hire idiots or a**sholes.

Yup. I’ve been on hiring panels and would immediately disqualify someone from consideration if they held extreme views like that.

Yes. I think allowing extreme “social justice” language to proliferate on Twitter etc has really warped some young people’s sense of reality. It’s not ok to make public statements that celebrate death or espouse the destruction of an entire country. It’s also always going to be dicey to make political statements about a country that is not yours - you may drastically misunderstand what you are aligning with.

Yes. People that are picking “sides” here are showing an extreme lack of judgment. It is not hard to say that you are worried about the situation, mourn the loss of innocent lives and are hoping for peace, if you must say something.

People who say things like this get bashed for not immediately calling out Hamas as terrorists (but you are not allowed to call out Israel's response).

If the statement is made in a way that suggests Hamas’s acts were justified - that’s a problem. If you don’t understand the situation or feel like you are just going to get attacked maybe just don’t say anything. Nobody actually needs your social media takes.

I generally don't post anything political on my social media accounts. Our local school system (MCPS) got bashed pretty aggressively for sending out a nonspecific letter expressing concern for everyone impacted, because they didn't specifically call out Hamas. A lot of people are demanding folks take sides.

It depends on timing. If on 10/8 you’re not expressing grief for victims and families, but are expressing worry about the future loss of life in Gaza, you’re showing your ass. If you didn’t express any grief on 10/8 I don’t want to hear you grieving a week later about the loss of Palestinian lives without putting it in context of what just happened.

That why it’s better to be quiet unless you have a brain.

Why are people required to express grief in your schedule? Why would someone who is a genuine anti-war pacifist, watching news that week in shock and bewilderment, be a “bad person” if he waited until 10/13 and said this the horrors committed by all made a cease fire necessary?

You’re such a pouty child. Not a serious person in the slightest.

That is an interesting insult. I’ll take it. I don’t claim to be serious. I do think that people who are only talking about tragedy on one side in this conflict have black holes in their brains.

It’s a warranted insult. I don’t have anyone in my family, nor any friends, who are only concerned with loss of life within the Palestinian nor the Israeli civilian populations. I doubt that that is unusual. I despise the conflation of true compassion with fringe opinion, and tarring people who want a cease fire and serious, not at a trickle’s pace, humanitarian aid, to be terrorist lovers. That’s repulsive and dishonest argument.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

I've started and run 2 companies.

I gladly hire Muslims.

I would NEVER hire anyone who's publicly siding with Hamas ("resistance is justified") or is anti-Israel (Israel is "entirely responsible"), etc.

And no, I'm not Jewish. I just don't knowingly hire idiots or a**sholes.

You are not a good fit for employees with basic humanity standards. Post the names of your companies so we can avoid you.

Easier for you and your compatriots to out yourself on X or Insta or TikTok.

We’ll see it and won’t hire you. Problem solved.

I am an American citizen, are you an American citizen serving in the IDF? Please don't hide behind an anonymous posting, post the names of your companies, since you are so proud of your values, so we can avoid you as an employer and as consumers.

Lol. Serving in the IDF?

Maybe you missed the “not Jewish” part of my post?

Does the IDF even accept lapsed Lutheran agnostics? 😂

And yes, I’m a US citizen (not sure why that matters).

Well, as it happens, if you married a Jew, you’d qualify for Israeli citizenship and could serve in the IDF. You could remain a lapsed Lutheran agnostic.

But I realize that’s neither here nor there.

Hey, I learned something today.

Good to know, but probably not the right opportunity for me (the IDF that is; open to marrying a Jew if my current partner tires of me).

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

Then why does Israel control it's land, air and sea access, it's water, electricity, access to medicine, food and, of course, restricts the movement of its people.

Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

I've started and run 2 companies.

I gladly hire Muslims.

I would NEVER hire anyone who's publicly siding with Hamas ("resistance is justified") or is anti-Israel (Israel is "entirely responsible"), etc.

And no, I'm not Jewish. I just don't knowingly hire idiots or a**sholes.

Yup. I’ve been on hiring panels and would immediately disqualify someone from consideration if they held extreme views like that.

Yes. I think allowing extreme “social justice” language to proliferate on Twitter etc has really warped some young people’s sense of reality. It’s not ok to make public statements that celebrate death or espouse the destruction of an entire country. It’s also always going to be dicey to make political statements about a country that is not yours - you may drastically misunderstand what you are aligning with.

Yes. People that are picking “sides” here are showing an extreme lack of judgment. It is not hard to say that you are worried about the situation, mourn the loss of innocent lives and are hoping for peace, if you must say something.

People who say things like this get bashed for not immediately calling out Hamas as terrorists (but you are not allowed to call out Israel's response).

If the statement is made in a way that suggests Hamas’s acts were justified - that’s a problem. If you don’t understand the situation or feel like you are just going to get attacked maybe just don’t say anything. Nobody actually needs your social media takes.

I generally don't post anything political on my social media accounts. Our local school system (MCPS) got bashed pretty aggressively for sending out a nonspecific letter expressing concern for everyone impacted, because they didn't specifically call out Hamas. A lot of people are demanding folks take sides.

It depends on timing. If on 10/8 you’re not expressing grief for victims and families, but are expressing worry about the future loss of life in Gaza, you’re showing your ass. If you didn’t express any grief on 10/8 I don’t want to hear you grieving a week later about the loss of Palestinian lives without putting it in context of what just happened.

That why it’s better to be quiet unless you have a brain.

Why are people required to express grief in your schedule? Why would someone who is a genuine anti-war pacifist, watching news that week in shock and bewilderment, be a “bad person” if he waited until 10/13 and said this the horrors committed by all made a cease fire necessary?

You’re such a pouty child. Not a serious person in the slightest.

That is an interesting insult. I’ll take it. I don’t claim to be serious. I do think that people who are only talking about tragedy on one side in this conflict have black holes in their brains.

It’s a warranted insult. I don’t have anyone in my family, nor any friends, who are only concerned with loss of life within the Palestinian nor the Israeli civilian populations. I doubt that that is unusual. I despise the conflation of true compassion with fringe opinion, and tarring people who want a cease fire and serious, not at a trickle’s pace, humanitarian aid, to be terrorist lovers. That’s repulsive and dishonest argument.

I saw friends say not a peep after 10/7, only to start wailing about civilian casualties in Gaza a few days later. You’re welcome to draw your own conclusion about that. I drew mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

Then why does Israel control it's land, air and sea access, it's water, electricity, access to medicine, food and, of course, restricts the movement of its people.

Hamas.

Dumb

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

Then why does Israel control it's land, air and sea access, it's water, electricity, access to medicine, food and, of course, restricts the movement of its people.

Hamas.

the PP doesn’t get that Hamas is essentially an occupying force in Gaza, and as long as it’s occupying Gaza, Israel can’t risk normalized relations with the “state” of Palestine.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

I've started and run 2 companies.

I gladly hire Muslims.

I would NEVER hire anyone who's publicly siding with Hamas ("resistance is justified") or is anti-Israel (Israel is "entirely responsible"), etc.

And no, I'm not Jewish. I just don't knowingly hire idiots or a**sholes.

Yup. I’ve been on hiring panels and would immediately disqualify someone from consideration if they held extreme views like that.

Yes. I think allowing extreme “social justice” language to proliferate on Twitter etc has really warped some young people’s sense of reality. It’s not ok to make public statements that celebrate death or espouse the destruction of an entire country. It’s also always going to be dicey to make political statements about a country that is not yours - you may drastically misunderstand what you are aligning with.

Yes. People that are picking “sides” here are showing an extreme lack of judgment. It is not hard to say that you are worried about the situation, mourn the loss of innocent lives and are hoping for peace, if you must say something.

People who say things like this get bashed for not immediately calling out Hamas as terrorists (but you are not allowed to call out Israel's response).

If the statement is made in a way that suggests Hamas’s acts were justified - that’s a problem. If you don’t understand the situation or feel like you are just going to get attacked maybe just don’t say anything. Nobody actually needs your social media takes.

I generally don't post anything political on my social media accounts. Our local school system (MCPS) got bashed pretty aggressively for sending out a nonspecific letter expressing concern for everyone impacted, because they didn't specifically call out Hamas. A lot of people are demanding folks take sides.

It depends on timing. If on 10/8 you’re not expressing grief for victims and families, but are expressing worry about the future loss of life in Gaza, you’re showing your ass. If you didn’t express any grief on 10/8 I don’t want to hear you grieving a week later about the loss of Palestinian lives without putting it in context of what just happened.

That why it’s better to be quiet unless you have a brain.

Why are people required to express grief in your schedule? Why would someone who is a genuine anti-war pacifist, watching news that week in shock and bewilderment, be a “bad person” if he waited until 10/13 and said this the horrors committed by all made a cease fire necessary?

You’re such a pouty child. Not a serious person in the slightest.

That is an interesting insult. I’ll take it. I don’t claim to be serious. I do think that people who are only talking about tragedy on one side in this conflict have black holes in their brains.

It’s a warranted insult. I don’t have anyone in my family, nor any friends, who are only concerned with loss of life within the Palestinian nor the Israeli civilian populations. I doubt that that is unusual. I despise the conflation of true compassion with fringe opinion, and tarring people who want a cease fire and serious, not at a trickle’s pace, humanitarian aid, to be terrorist lovers. That’s repulsive and dishonest argument.

DP.

I largely agree with you, but if you want to be "a serious person" you also need to recognize the reality that both a ceasefire and aid clearly benefit Hamas.

Fuel is a great example. Undeniably necessary for the innocent people of Gaza; equally undeniably a weapon of war for Hamas.

Unfortunately, as we've seen on this thread, it's very difficult to distinguish between those who are humanitarians/pacificists and those who are motivated by less noble ideals.

The conflation is inevitable and, frankly, a reflection of reality.

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If the US had a region right next to us that had elected a terrorist organization to run it that has as its goal the eradication of our country, what do you think we would do? Especially if that organization infiltrated the USA and killed 40,000 Americans in one day and took 7,700 people hostage?

I think we would rain holy hell on them and most Americans would be happy to see it.

(Numbers are converted to the equivalent percentage of the US population).

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

No, it doesn't and you know that. Stop lying to yourself and everyone else.

Maybe rather than just saying we’re wrong, you could point to some evidence.

Palestine absolutely functions as a quasi-state. It has some state functions and not others.

A "quasi-state" is not a state. You know this. It's not difficult.

Does Israel consider it a state? Nope
Does the United States? Nope
Does the United Nations? Nope
Does Model United Nations? Nope

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

No, it doesn't and you know that. Stop lying to yourself and everyone else.

Maybe rather than just saying we’re wrong, you could point to some evidence.

Palestine absolutely functions as a quasi-state. It has some state functions and not others.

A "quasi-state" is not a state. You know this. It's not difficult.

Does Israel consider it a state? Nope
Does the United States? Nope
Does the United Nations? Nope
Does Model United Nations? Nope

Nuance isn’t your strong suit, is it?

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

No, it doesn't and you know that. Stop lying to yourself and everyone else.

Maybe rather than just saying we’re wrong, you could point to some evidence.

Palestine absolutely functions as a quasi-state. It has some state functions and not others.

A "quasi-state" is not a state. You know this. It's not difficult.

Does Israel consider it a state? Nope
Does the United States? Nope
Does the United Nations? Nope
Does Model United Nations? Nope

And? It doesn’t mean it’s governed by Isreal.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

Then why does Israel control it's land, air and sea access, it's water, electricity, access to medicine, food and, of course, restricts the movement of its people.

Hamas.

the PP doesn’t get that Hamas is essentially an occupying force in Gaza, and as long as it’s occupying Gaza, Israel can’t risk normalized relations with the “state” of Palestine.

I am sure that relations with Gaza/the West Bank and Israel were absolutely normal prior to the formation of Hamas. It was just sunshine and lollipops.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

Then why does Israel control it's land, air and sea access, it's water, electricity, access to medicine, food and, of course, restricts the movement of its people.

Hamas.

the PP doesn’t get that Hamas is essentially an occupying force in Gaza, and as long as it’s occupying Gaza, Israel can’t risk normalized relations with the “state” of Palestine.

No, everyone gets that. This is more about some pro-Israeli posters not wanting to admit an inconvenient fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Time to free Palestine. We would save billions in money and countless lives.

As for these billionaires pulling jobs and money from schools, I bet they are deeply racist against Muslims and never hire them. It’s great they are making public statements. Now I hope someone tracks back and see how racist their companies are.

Not until the terrorists are gone. Because doing so now would NOT save countless lives.

At this point isn’t Hamas a government? That means they are not terrorists but a state actor like Israel or Russia. So you can not call them terrorists because they are a state and government. Exactly like Israel is now terrorizing Gaza but they are a state so it is just war.

Neither Palestine nor Gaza is a state. This is an undeniable but inconvenient fact.

That’s not entirely true. Hamas “governs” Gaza, but no one “recognizes” them as a legitimate government. Israel does not govern Gaza. It maintains a border.

Stop lying to both yourself and everyone else.

It is an irrefutable fact that neither Gaza nor Palestine is a state.

You suffer from very black and white thinking.

I don't at all. But this is a clear back and white factual issue.

And what’s your point? Yes, we all know Palestine isn’t a full UN member state. But it has basically all the characteristics of a state beyond formal UN recognition. It has a territory, a government, passports, etc.

Then why does Israel control it's land, air and sea access, it's water, electricity, access to medicine, food and, of course, restricts the movement of its people.

Hamas.

Hamas made Israel run Gaza like a concentration camp? If only every terrorist state had such an easy excuse to justify the slaughter of civilians.