Option H is permanent and the old Wootton HS campus will be closed for good?

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the proposals move Wootton kids to Gaithersburg HS? That's what I'd like to see.

You need to get a life. Fantasizing others suffer is just evil.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the proposals move Wootton kids to Gaithersburg HS? That's what I'd like to see.

Why would you like to see that?

You do know there are developments going on in Gaithersburg right? Where do you propose the students in those areas go if the Gaithersburg schools are at or over capacity?

Parts of Gaithersburg can go to Crown and RM.

Okay maybe it would be logistically possible.

But again, WHY would you like to see it?

What benefit would it be to have parts of Wootton go to Gaithersburg?

Wouldn't it be more beneficial demand MCPS to have stricter and higher standards in terms of rigor and discipline? Then ALL students at Gaithersburg High would be academically successful and better prepared for after high school?

And it was already established, most of the outskirts of the Wootton boundary towards the Gaithersburg side, isn't the wealthier or less diverse areas you might be thinking of.

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the proposals move Wootton kids to Gaithersburg HS? That's what I'd like to see.

Why would you like to see that?

You do know there are developments going on in Gaithersburg right? Where do you propose the students in those areas go if the Gaithersburg schools are at or over capacity?

Parts of Gaithersburg can go to Crown and RM.

Okay maybe it would be logistically possible.

But again, WHY would you like to see it?

What benefit would it be to have parts of Wootton go to Gaithersburg?

Wouldn't it be more beneficial demand MCPS to have stricter and higher standards in terms of rigor and discipline? Then ALL students at Gaithersburg High would be academically successful and better prepared for after high school?

And it was already established, most of the outskirts of the Wootton boundary towards the Gaithersburg side, isn't the wealthier or less diverse areas you might be thinking of.

Sorry I was thinking of something else (was still thinking previous poster was proposing parts of Wootton go to Gaithersrburg) when I originally looked at that post.

Okay so maybe parts of Gaithersburg HS can go to RM. Do they have space at RM? And who would get squeezed out of RM? There's development going on around Rockville too.

The only space to easily move any students into is the new Crown HS building.

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We have full confidence that Wootton will emerge #CrownStrong

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Anonymous wrote:We have full confidence that Wootton will emerge #CrownStrong

Keep dreaming. You have three more weeks to fantasize.

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When I keep hearing people wanting to keep the Wootton name the only thing I can imagine is that they like being called a "W" school (which, of course, is only relevant among a tiny group of entitled people on this board). But if that's the case, you can coin a new phrase-- the "C" schools-- Crown and Churchill! An even more exclusive club!

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Anonymous wrote:When I keep hearing people wanting to keep the Wootton name the only thing I can imagine is that they like being called a "W" school (which, of course, is only relevant among a tiny group of entitled people on this board). But if that's the case, you can coin a new phrase-- the "C" schools-- Crown and Churchill! An even more exclusive club!

The Churchill crowd would revolt if you tried to remove the W school moniker from them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

What is that process? I spent a little time trying to find it. I did find a detailed process for deciding what to do with the facility when a school is closed, but nothing that governs when and how MCPS can close one.

They ARE following the process to close a school. Boundary studies and school closures are governed by the same policy.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

What is that process? I spent a little time trying to find it. I did find a detailed process for deciding what to do with the facility when a school is closed, but nothing that governs when and how MCPS can close one.

They ARE following the process to close a school. Boundary studies and school closures are governed by the same policy.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

That is incorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

What is that process? I spent a little time trying to find it. I did find a detailed process for deciding what to do with the facility when a school is closed, but nothing that governs when and how MCPS can close one.

They ARE following the process to close a school. Boundary studies and school closures are governed by the same policy.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

That is incorrect.

Which part is incorrect? Are you saying they're not following the policy? Or are you saying that another policy applies?

I read it in its entirety. Did you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

What is that process? I spent a little time trying to find it. I did find a detailed process for deciding what to do with the facility when a school is closed, but nothing that governs when and how MCPS can close one.

They ARE following the process to close a school. Boundary studies and school closures are governed by the same policy.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

That is incorrect.

Which part is incorrect? Are you saying they're not following the policy? Or are you saying that another policy applies?

I read it in its entirety. Did you?

Have they even admitted this is school closure? They need to publicly announce it and go through the whole public engagement process. This cannot be disguised under a boundary study and needs full transparency for another process.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

What is that process? I spent a little time trying to find it. I did find a detailed process for deciding what to do with the facility when a school is closed, but nothing that governs when and how MCPS can close one.

They ARE following the process to close a school. Boundary studies and school closures are governed by the same policy.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

That is incorrect.

Which part is incorrect? Are you saying they're not following the policy? Or are you saying that another policy applies?

I read it in its entirety. Did you?

Have they even admitted this is school closure? They need to publicly announce it and go through the whole public engagement process. This cannot be disguised under a boundary study and needs full transparency for another process.

Right, so you didn't read it.

Let me help to clarify. The annual facility planning process is intended to address student capacity requirements and facility needs. The school system may address these needs via boundary changes, school closures, or other means identified in the policy.

As far as public engagement they are following all the steps in the process. The Superintendent has the right to make a recommendation for facility needs in February/March. The Board is required to have at least one work session and at least one public hearing before voting on a resolution. These steps are in compliance with the Code of Maryland Regulations 13A.02.09.01 - Closing of Schools.

The Superintendent hasn't even made a recommendation yet. So wait until February and read the policy and you'll see that they're following the policy...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the proposals move Wootton kids to Gaithersburg HS? That's what I'd like to see.

imagine taking your anger/pettiness out on kids.

Yes, imagine taking your anger/pettiness out and saying terrible things about a school, like Gaithersburg High School, where children currently attend. Imagine saying you’d rather die than have your children go to school with those children. Imagine.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have any information about lawsuits but my guess is that they are arguing discrimination. That's how a huge # of lawsuits in the education space are framed. A few years ago, I think MCPS would have fought that type of case but given the current political climate, I'm guessing they don't want to take that on.

A "discrimination" case doesn't pass the laugh test. It wouldn't make it to a second hearing.

More likely, they'd say it is improperly closing a school. Though, if MCPS says they're just replacing the building, then school impact taxes may need to be refunded. Those wouldn't go to Crown homeowners- it would go back to the developer.

So careful what you wish for here.

But they're not just replacing the building if they are adding students who live in neighborhoods not zoned for Wootton. Any such argument would also be seriously undercut by MCPS' original intent in building Crown - which wasn't to replace the Wootton building. It would come across as MCPS trying to cover up its poor planning by closing a school and treating its students as pawns for its own benefit (i.e., import students from Wootton, instant academic foundation for Crown). It took decades for Wootton to become a high performing school, but apparently it only takes a few months for MCPS to destroy it.

I honestly do get all of the disappointment with the school move here, but I don't quite see the sky is falling aspect about adding 500 or whatever the number is of kids not from exWootton. I mean it's a Mont Co public school, not something exclusive to your neighborhood. Your families are supportive, kids are smart and on the right track, they'll continue to be fine. It is the school averages that will be lower that is bugging you all? Or dating someone from the other group? Or a prestige thing?

Wootton family are not supportive and neither are Gaithersburg families. And you now admit that this isn’t just moving Wootton to a new building. Took 90+ pages for this thread to get there. If MCPS wants to close Wootton, there is a formal process for this. MCPS isn’t following it.

What is that process? I spent a little time trying to find it. I did find a detailed process for deciding what to do with the facility when a school is closed, but nothing that governs when and how MCPS can close one.

They ARE following the process to close a school. Boundary studies and school closures are governed by the same policy.

https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/policy/pdf/faara.pdf

That is incorrect.

Which part is incorrect? Are you saying they're not following the policy? Or are you saying that another policy applies?

I read it in its entirety. Did you?

Have they even admitted this is school closure? They need to publicly announce it and go through the whole public engagement process. This cannot be disguised under a boundary study and needs full transparency for another process.

Right, so you didn't read it.

Let me help to clarify. The annual facility planning process is intended to address student capacity requirements and facility needs. The school system may address these needs via boundary changes, school closures, or other means identified in the policy.

As far as public engagement they are following all the steps in the process. The Superintendent has the right to make a recommendation for facility needs in February/March. The Board is required to have at least one work session and at least one public hearing before voting on a resolution. These steps are in compliance with the Code of Maryland Regulations 13A.02.09.01 - Closing of Schools.

The Superintendent hasn't even made a recommendation yet. So wait until February and read the policy and you'll see that they're following the policy...

BOE already admitted the public engagement time given to SSIMS isn’t sufficient and SSIMS got way more time than Wootton. If they treat Wootton differently, that’s subject to legal challenges.

Why you think they just can follow the procedure for the sake of formality only and take the shortest possible? That’s easily challenged in court and at least will take several years to go through the litigations

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do any of the proposals move Wootton kids to Gaithersburg HS? That's what I'd like to see.

You need to get a life. Fantasizing others suffer is just evil.

Going to Gaithersburg HS is "suffering"?

Sounds like we need more people with money to have a stake in the game.