+1 Jews and up in Europe because they were taken into slavery by Romans or were fleeing Islamic invaders. The Middle East is their native land. Islamists are the colonialists and invaders. Also Jews never left that area but those who returned after the Holocaust are nevertheless linked to that region. People taking Hamas talking points off of Tik Tok and have not a clue about history. |
This is such crap. Jews have only wanted peace - they’ve been under constant attack for centuries by Islamist invaders. Israel - in its modern form - is no exception. Israel wanted a two-state solution. Hamas / PLO did not - they wanted literal eradication of all Jews, including those in Israel. And, of course, Israel gone even though it’s Jewish indigenous land (that Islamists stole). Israel has the right to defend itself. |
By this logic, certain parts of Africa are ALL people's native land... Human life originated there. Every other group is the result of the diaspora of all people from that region... If one believes in science and fossil records, then there's not arguing this claim. I would also have a right to go back to the Africa and kick someone whose family has lived there for centuries because my ancestors somehow got to Europe sometime in the last 300,000 or so thousand years. I truly don't understand this argument about rightful land... |
Can you blame them for not wanting to give up land just because Truman and the United Nations told them they must? |
Then they should go complain to the UN. Not murder civilians in their beds. |
Tell that to Hamas and Hezbollah. And Iran. |
Who's even to say it even was the Arabs' land? Prior to the creation of Israel it had been under British control, a result of capturing it from the Ottoman Turks in WWI. And prior to that, it had been under Ottoman Turk rule for hundreds of years. The Arabs living in Palestine hadn't had any meaningful rule or self-governance in Palestine for hundreds of years, other than at local government level. And most of the land was owned by landlords in Turkey, Syria, Egypt and so on. By the time of the formation of Israel, Jews had already been buying a non-trivial amount of land in Palestine from those landowners going back several decades prior. |
Iran has no historic tie or claim to Israel but sure loves to act like they do. |
Ironically Iran, ie: Persia, has the same level of ancient history claim. 6th century BC. Regardless the ancient history claims are absurd and if we go down that road then Egypt has the strongest and oldest claim. |
The history of the region has been contested forever. To me the important thing is to end conflicts while minimizing the loss of human life. I want no association with any religion that guides me otherwise.
Right now, the choice to minimize the loss of human life is in Israel's hands and they are still punching. Yes, those that they are battering may not have liked them before but they certainly hate them now. That makes tragic events like 9/11 and 10/7 more likely to occur again. Someone above wrote "Jews have only wanted peace". I believe that is true, but it is peace on their terms. It leaves out seeing the harm the formation of Israel and subsequent actions have caused the Palestinian (and Lebanese) people and helping identify a plan for healing. That harm impose by Israel was (and is) real and felt and until Israel acknowledges this, they are never going to get the peace they want because hurt people get angry. And angry people do terrible things. |
oh and you know wo is teh mother if the Taliban? the good old united staes of america who funded crazy a$$ warlords in afghanistan when the USSR invaded and told them teh soviets are your enemies b/c they are atheist. id take those athiests over crazy religious fundies of any stripe. The united states funnleled massive amounst of money and arms to Pakistan and afghanistan to fight the Soviets b/c we would rather that afghani women live with fewer rights than cats under beardo wierdo who are our allies (pakistan is a very important US ally and women get burned by acid and gang raped there in the northern afghanistan bordering states, im from there so shut up with a rebuttal) Paistan has also suffered from becoming more and more religious b/c teh USA gives money to the religious hardliner parties and threatens the army that if a liberal governemnt comes into power the alliance with its money and arms will end. BS that jewsih women have rights within judaism, jewish women women have rights- in congreagatuions that have mostly abandoned the judiams practiced by teh Israeli government. Also there are American Jewish women who live in the United states who cant get divorced even in american courts b/c their children will be taken from them. All of these religions are oppressive and make people miserable. |
yikes, that's a nasty thing to say, no? |
Why didn’t Israel defend itself against Germany? Israel does not desire peace. It desires dominance. Israel does not want a two state solution. It wants regional collapse |
US will simply veto. The pro-Israel group has been playing the long political game for quite some time... |
I don't think so. I wouldn't want that same kid in a school with my child. |