Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

I was wondering that too. A big part of me hopes it’s a meme that they have no idea the meaning of.

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

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Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I'm assuming that you're asking in good faith, but I'm just too tired to explain it anymore. And those who don't believe it tend not to believe it no matter what I say. But I am a progressive myself and I believe any minority group, and women, when they say they feel unsafe. I would only ask that if you give others the benefit of the doubt, that you give it to Jews as well.

I’m the PP, and I’m an Asian woman who lives in NYC. Where there was a wave of crime against Asian women during and after Covid, such that many in the Asian community believed that there it was related to anti-Asian hate and/or that they were unsafe walking around NYC. I had the same questions for them then - I’m really just trying to understand the fear. The fact of the matter is that there are (unfortunately, seems like there will always be) groups in this country who hate anyone who isn’t a straight white Christian man, and at various times those people come to the public attention through high-profile violence/rhetoric (Charlottesville rally, high-profile violent crime against Asians, the stabbing of the little Palestinian boy, antisemitic rhetoric at protests).

I guess what I was trying to say is that, as a member of such a group, that doesn’t make me feel like my “group” (Asians, Asian women) is so threatened in the US that I should move back to the country my parents immigrated from. I have heard this sentiment expressed a few times, that Jews in America are terrified. I’m just trying to understand of what.

have you ever heard of … the Holocaust?

This is my question. Do you think the Holocaust (or some type of genocide against Jews) is going to happen again? Maybe the answer is yes, I don’t know. As a non-Jew, that seems pretty unlikely to me but maybe you think differently.

I’m not Jewish and I would have said “no” prior to 10/7. Now, watching the overwhelming surge of antisemitism globally, I’ve changed my mind. I think there are a lot of people globally who would 100% support a second Holocaust and I don’t think it is an impossibility.

I agree.

Hysterics. Jews are the most protected and privileged ethnic minority in the world. They exert influence at the highest levels of global power.

Ha! Privileged. Good one.

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Anonymous wrote:It really is a scary time to be a Jew in the west, and particularly on campus.
And that does not mean that it's not scary to be a civilian in Gaza, or that there are never Islamophobic crimes in the west.

But anti-semitism is everywhere right now, and if you claim it's not, you're deliberately ignoring it.

And FWIW, on Jewish online forums, a large number of people are talking about moving to Israel. Because they feel that they'd be safer there.

I am sorry you feel this way. It’s interesting to me that you say this, because it seems to me (as a non-Jewish person) that there is a ton of institutional support for Israel and it’s cause in the West. The USG has basically pledged undying support and loyalty to Israel, buildings have been lit up in blue and white to show support, companies are making statements, etc. The public support I see for Palestinians is limited to rallies and statements made by college groups (which are quickly denounced and the students doxxed). Some of those are very clearly antisemitic or involve hate speech, but generally I see more support in the U.S. for Israel.

Sincerely, could you please elaborate on how/why you feel that your safety as a Jew in the United States is personally threatened? I think all hate speech and hateful acts are totally unacceptable and should be prosecuted, to be clear. I’m just curious as to how the antisemitism you’ve seen in the past month is more alarming than casual racism in the U.S. against people of color or anti-gay sentiment, or hateful sentiment against any group (which all also exists). It shouldn’t, but it does, and there’s nasty rhetoric and hate crimes against all of those groups. But I wouldn’t say generally that members of any of those groups (racial minorities, the LGBTQ community, Muslims, Jews) are baseline unsafe in the U.S.

I’m not the poster you’re responding to, but I am Jewish.

Institutional support from the US government does not prevent Jews from being victim to 50% of religious hate crimes and more hate crimes per capita than Muslims.

And antisemitism in the US is nothing compared to Europe or the Middle East. Nothing.

The ADL estimates that 1/6th of the world’s population is antisemitic. That’s 1.09 billion people.

But I don’t think anyone is saying Jews are more unsafe than black people, for example. They’re making a specific assertion about college campuses.

I’m the PP you responded to - thanks. I understand what you’re saying, and I didn’t know that 1/6 of the world’s population is estimated to be antisemitic. I was specifically asking about the U.S. because the original poster specifically said the West, and I assume that most posters here are in the U.S. I believe you on antisemitism in Europe being worse.

I take your point about college campuses. It’s been a while since I’ve been on one, but I guess my question is (again, sincerely, and also recognizing that Jewish people aren’t a monolith) - does the Jewish community consider protests against the Israeli government’s policy toward Palestinians to be antisemitic? I get the impression from this thread that some Jews consider any criticism of Israel to be antisemitic.

Yes, I have also seen some protesters on social media use slurs or actively say hateful things. Those people are also generally called out or fired or told their rhetoric is unacceptable. Given this, it would be surprising to me if Jewish college students were being singled out for harm as part of these protests. If you’re saying it’s happening, I believe you. I just haven’t heard of reports of this on a wide scale such that it seems to me that U.S. college campuses are unsafe for Jewish students right now. Fully with the caveat that I haven’t been following this particular issue that closely.

why tf are you on here, page 900+ of this discussion, spouting all this nonsense disputing that Jews feel threatened, capped with “I haven’t been following this particular issue that closely”???

I have the same right to be on this discussion as you. I said I haven’t been following the particular issue of Jewish students being targeted on American college campuses this closely, not that I haven’t been following this conflict that closely. Some Jewish posters believe that it’s a scary time to be Jewish right now, so I asked for more information to educate myself. Precisely because I haven’t been following the issue of campus protests and was curious as to why/how Jewish students feel threatened.

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Gaza rocket hits apartment in Israel, wounding three. War crime.

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

Right. So I’m assuming you were just as horrified on 10/7? Doubt it. I have a friend like you. Silence until it was one of “hers”. For some reason I doubt you cared about the innocent Israeli kids who were murdered that day.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

Where does it say all Jews? It’s the flag of Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

Where does it say all Jews? It’s the flag of Israel.

It’s the overall message implying (even outright stating) that the world should be cleansed of Jews. Even if the star of David “only” refers to the nation of Israel, it’s calling for Israel to be destroyed.

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Anonymous wrote:Safe passage to a mansion in Turkey for the remnants of Hamas leadership, release of all hostages, demilitarization snd de-tunnelization of Gaza and temporary oversight of Gaza by international group — not the UN, they are wayyyy biased, it seems —- and hope for different election results.

The UN is the global community of 130+ countries. The world is not biased, you lr actions are abhorrent.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

Where does it say all Jews? It’s the flag of Israel.

Good Lord woman. Stop trying to ignore the antisemitism and excusing the hatred shown by far too many people toward Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

Where does it say all Jews? It’s the flag of Israel.

It’s the overall message implying (even outright stating) that the world should be cleansed of Jews. Even if the star of David “only” refers to the nation of Israel, it’s calling for Israel to be destroyed.

The Star of David is a symbol for Jews. It clearly is not the Israeli flag. There are no blue and white stripes.

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Anonymous wrote:Where does this “keep the world clean” slogan come from? I can’t imagine those NYU kids came up with it on their own.

But yes — it’s terrifying to see this quickly going from critical of Israel to condemning all Jews.

Where does it say all Jews? It’s the flag of Israel.

It's the Star of David.

smh

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Anonymous wrote:How dehumanizing and shameful to hear this from a President that shills another nation’s propaganda, including “40 beheaded babies”

I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.

Propaganda that caused a 6 year old boy happily running to his landlords arms to embrace him to get stabbed over 50 times. Could you imagine that boys terror and confusion as a beloved adult stabs him to death because he heard Palestinians Behead babies ? Terrible and insidious propaganda.

Biden is disgusting and should be in an assisted living facility watching Jeopardy not leading the world. He is a tool

Right. So I’m assuming you were just as horrified on 10/7? Doubt it. I have a friend like you. Silence until it was one of “hers”. For some reason I doubt you cared about the innocent Israeli kids who were murdered that day.

I was here in this thread disgusted and mortified by the the attacks on 10/7, and I still am.

The only difference now is I am not sure if I believe all the initial claims about Hamas. I know it must be hard for you to believe but many in the younger demographic saw the information on social media change in real time
From 40 beheaded babies to Ben Shapiros post of a burned infant being flagged as an AI generated fake image to another person posting about a woman and her womb being cut out, and Twitter flagging the post as fake and actually being something that happened in the Palestinian Sabra and Sharina massacre of 2982.

We saw Biden/The White House walk back initial baby beheading claims . We saw Naftali/ the IDF walk back hospital bombing claims that they initially
Tweeted about in brag mode . When the world was mortified someone would actually bomb a hospital intentionally and brag about it, we saw the script change with convenient “confessional” audio from the sound proof temp controlled studios in a Gaza tunnel. We saw celebrities like Bieber and Jamie Lee Curtis post fake pictures of Israel that were actually of Gaza.

This has been a huge mess optics wise for Israel to those of us under 35 who don’t rely on cable news and use social media for news.