Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China

[Anonymous]

The fire doesn't make sense to me. Protocol in a fire is oxygen masks on first. So pilots wouldn't have been immediately incapacitated. They have oxygen in tanks and it would have lasted more than long enough for them to send a distress call. Also a distress call would have gone out as soon as they turned the plan around. Pilots in emergencies immediately contact ATC and ask for the nearest point of landing. If the pilots were still flying then, and reprogramming the flight they would have sent out a Mayday or distress call. especially seeing as another pilot was able to establish radio contact and heard mumbling (aka pilots were still conscious). Also the plane didn't just run and fly in a straight line as it would have if they had just reprogrammed it and set it to autopilot.

Also if the fire started in the cockpit, then the passengers and flight crew would still have been fine until they started to smell smoke, oxygen masks dropped etc. As they were close to land, phone calls would have been attempted and texts sent and the texts would have gone through as soon as they were back over the Malay peninsula.

It makes zero sense that pilots with oxygen masks on would not send out a distress call or contact ATC

With a electrical fire, you cut power first. This can be done quickly by throwing the main breaker. After which you extinguish the fire and start turning the individual breakers on one at a time to see what systems still work. Cell phones do not work in airplanes! Of course this make no sense to you, you do not know what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The fire doesn't make sense to me. Protocol in a fire is oxygen masks on first. So pilots wouldn't have been immediately incapacitated. They have oxygen in tanks and it would have lasted more than long enough for them to send a distress call. Also a distress call would have gone out as soon as they turned the plan around. Pilots in emergencies immediately contact ATC and ask for the nearest point of landing. If the pilots were still flying then, and reprogramming the flight they would have sent out a Mayday or distress call. especially seeing as another pilot was able to establish radio contact and heard mumbling (aka pilots were still conscious). Also the plane didn't just run and fly in a straight line as it would have if they had just reprogrammed it and set it to autopilot.

Also if the fire started in the cockpit, then the passengers and flight crew would still have been fine until they started to smell smoke, oxygen masks dropped etc. As they were close to land, phone calls would have been attempted and texts sent and the texts would have gone through as soon as they were back over the Malay peninsula.

It makes zero sense that pilots with oxygen masks on would not send out a distress call or contact ATC

With a electrical fire, you cut power first. This can be done quickly by throwing the main breaker. After which you extinguish the fire and start turning the individual breakers on one at a time to see what systems still work. Cell phones do not work in airplanes! Of course this make no sense to you, you do not know what you are talking about.

No you don't cut power before making a mayday call, especially seeing as they had power long enough to reprogram the plane based on that theory. And cell phones can work from the air if you are in close enough alignment with a tower and below a certain altitude. Are you unaware that calls were made by airplane passengers on 9/11?

Pilots have debunked this fire in the cockpit that only knocked out certain instruments but the autopilot still worked. Autopilot isn't just one specific things - it relies on about 7 different instruments to be functioning.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they mad the mayday call to the controllers they just cut off by mistake then gave up and dealt with the emergency. Or maybe they made the mayday call to the controllers forgetting they had just cut them off and assuming it went through because their minds were all a-panic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So a fire was bad enough to knock out ACARS and other electrical equipment, but never knocked out the auto pilot? How does that happen?

There's reference to "pulling the busses" in the original story, slang for manualy shutting down electrical systems to try and identify/contain source source of fire. Not all circuits are shut down at once.

Yeah, but that would mean that the fire burned on for about 7 hours without spreading while the plane was on auto pilot and then eventually ran out of fuel. Unless you're saying it's possible to totally contain a fire somewhere within a 777, even after the smoke has killed everyone.

[Anonymous]

http://hawkeyemedia.com/panos/777_Avionics.asp

Photo of electrical systems in a 777

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flight simulator at pilot's home apparently showed five landing strips in the Indian Ocean.

Source?

Holy shit. That sounds like a major development. I'm off to goggle it.

Not really what it says. Basically the flight simulator included thousands of runways - including the runways in the Indian Ocean. They are now going to analyze his simulator use to see what runways he landed at most often - no indication that this includes the Indian Ocean runways.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/Missing-Malaysian-plane-Cops-find-data-on-Indian-Ocean-runways-in-pilots-simulator/articleshow/32256080.cms

"A senior police officer with direct knowledge of the investigation said the programs from the pilot's simulator included Indian Ocean runways in the Maldives, Sri Lanka, Diego Garcia and southern India, although he added that US and European runways also featured. "Generally these flight simulators show hundreds or even thousands of runways," the officer said. "What we are trying to see is what were the runways that were frequently used."

[Anonymous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592

Read the accident section. Provides insight into pilot actions when there was an electrical fire.

Also note how quickly the fire caused the plan to crash, the plane did not just fly on autopilot until out of fuel - so the thought that MH370 continued to fly for 7 hrs with a fire that burned through its electrical system - not happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The fire doesn't make sense to me. Protocol in a fire is oxygen masks on first. So pilots wouldn't have been immediately incapacitated. They have oxygen in tanks and it would have lasted more than long enough for them to send a distress call. Also a distress call would have gone out as soon as they turned the plan around. Pilots in emergencies immediately contact ATC and ask for the nearest point of landing. If the pilots were still flying then, and reprogramming the flight they would have sent out a Mayday or distress call. especially seeing as another pilot was able to establish radio contact and heard mumbling (aka pilots were still conscious). Also the plane didn't just run and fly in a straight line as it would have if they had just reprogrammed it and set it to autopilot.

Also if the fire started in the cockpit, then the passengers and flight crew would still have been fine until they started to smell smoke, oxygen masks dropped etc. As they were close to land, phone calls would have been attempted and texts sent and the texts would have gone through as soon as they were back over the Malay peninsula.

It makes zero sense that pilots with oxygen masks on would not send out a distress call or contact ATC

With a electrical fire, you cut power first. This can be done quickly by throwing the main breaker. After which you extinguish the fire and start turning the individual breakers on one at a time to see what systems still work. Cell phones do not work in airplanes! Of course this make no sense to you, you do not know what you are talking about.

No you don't cut power before making a mayday call, especially seeing as they had power long enough to reprogram the plane based on that theory. And cell phones can work from the air if you are in close enough alignment with a tower and below a certain altitude. Are you unaware that calls were made by airplane passengers on 9/11?

Pilots have debunked this fire in the cockpit that only knocked out certain instruments but the autopilot still worked. Autopilot isn't just one specific things - it relies on about 7 different instruments to be functioning.

Most of the phone calls on 9/11 were made from those phones they sometimes have on the back of seats. Only the Business class on this flight had them, and they can be turned off. The rest were made after the plan moved below 10,000 feet as part of it's attack plan.

Furthermore, cell companies have gotten better at directing their antennas where they want them to be directed, and not wasting that power on the sky, so cell phones in 2014 are less likely to work in planes than in 2001.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So a fire was bad enough to knock out ACARS and other electrical equipment, but never knocked out the auto pilot? How does that happen?

There's reference to "pulling the busses" in the original story, slang for manualy shutting down electrical systems to try and identify/contain source source of fire. Not all circuits are shut down at once.

Yeah, but that would mean that the fire burned on for about 7 hours without spreading while the plane was on auto pilot and then eventually ran out of fuel. Unless you're saying it's possible to totally contain a fire somewhere within a 777, even after the smoke has killed everyone.

This was my thought too. It doesn't make sense that there was a fire and yet the plane flew for 7 hours?

Unless the hop up to 45000 feet killed everyone and succeeded in putting out the fire?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The fire doesn't make sense to me. Protocol in a fire is oxygen masks on first. So pilots wouldn't have been immediately incapacitated. They have oxygen in tanks and it would have lasted more than long enough for them to send a distress call. Also a distress call would have gone out as soon as they turned the plan around. Pilots in emergencies immediately contact ATC and ask for the nearest point of landing. If the pilots were still flying then, and reprogramming the flight they would have sent out a Mayday or distress call. especially seeing as another pilot was able to establish radio contact and heard mumbling (aka pilots were still conscious). Also the plane didn't just run and fly in a straight line as it would have if they had just reprogrammed it and set it to autopilot.

Also if the fire started in the cockpit, then the passengers and flight crew would still have been fine until they started to smell smoke, oxygen masks dropped etc. As they were close to land, phone calls would have been attempted and texts sent and the texts would have gone through as soon as they were back over the Malay peninsula.

It makes zero sense that pilots with oxygen masks on would not send out a distress call or contact ATC

With a electrical fire, you cut power first. This can be done quickly by throwing the main breaker. After which you extinguish the fire and start turning the individual breakers on one at a time to see what systems still work. Cell phones do not work in airplanes! Of course this make no sense to you, you do not know what you are talking about.


No you don't cut power before making a mayday call, especially seeing as they had power long enough to reprogram the plane based on that theory. And cell phones can work from the air if you are in close enough alignment with a tower and below a certain altitude. Are you unaware that calls were made by airplane passengers on 9/11?

Pilots have debunked this fire in the cockpit that only knocked out certain instruments but the autopilot still worked. Autopilot isn't just one specific things - it relies on about 7 different instruments to be functioning.

What are the 7 different instruments and how are they wire? Are they mechanical or electronic? If electrical what zones are they tied into? Where is the com gear on the plane? How does an autopilot work? What kind of gases can be generated with an electrical fire or from a lithium battery burning? Can the fire be smokeless? Can the first notice of a problem be the coms going out? Cell phones have been covered.

[Anonymous]

During the auto-landing phase, what would happen if the electrics were to fail?  Well, at around 1500 feet, the electrical power that drives the three autopilots automatically splits up into three independent sources.  Let’s name the three autopilots as “Robotic Pilot 1, 2 and 3”.

When electrical power fails and incapacitates Robotic Pilot 1, it will not affect Robotic Pilot 2 and 3. They will continue to fly in a slightly degraded, but safe mode.  If Robotic Pilot 2 drops dead again because of electrical power, Robotic Pilot 3 is capable of holding on until two more pilots come to the rescue, that is the Captain and the Copilot.  
 
Are there any backup for the miles of electrical wiring on board? Unfortunately no, so a wiring fire caused by arc-tracking (or a short-circuit) is capable of knocking out many systems simultaneously. Unlike the airplane's hydraulics, electrical wiring has no built-in redundancy.

http://www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safety_Issues/RiskManagement/totalelectricalfailure.html

[Anonymous]

This expert thinks it's not an accident.

http://news.yahoo.com/could-mah730-have-been--swapped--mid-air--haynes-manual-plane-expert-offers-his-theories-135928312.html

[Anonymous]

It was pilot suicide. He went on one final joy ride before he crashed it into the Indian Ocean. After the co-pilot left the cockpit for a break the plane soared to 45,000 ft to knock everyone out. The pilot wanted to die over the Indian Ocean.

[Anonymous]

Except for pilot and co-pilot, we haven't heard anything about the crew, and no confirmation that there wasn't anybody in the jump seat.

[Anonymous]

Now news saying flight path was reprogrammed 12 minutes before "all right good night" radio contact. Rules out fire in the cockpit theory