Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China

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fire in plane

MAYDAY MAYDAY FIRE IN PLANE

program to nearest acceptable airport

pull the busses and lose systems (communication, transponders)

Plane now heading in new direction

overcome by smoke

plane flies on until it runs out of fuel


This sounds very plausible in most ways, except for the continued pinging of the engines for another 8 hours.


Not plausible. If they had time to reprogram the plane they would have sent out a distress call or contact ATC


Also, did he fly up to 45,000 asphyxiate the passengers and crew? If so, very morbid to then be flying around on your final flight with a plane full of deceased passengers behind you. And what about the co-pilot? First kill him, then depressurize the cabin (but not the cockpit), then ride around with all those bodies? Extremely morbid and homicidal.


Did you read the article? It says you may choose to fly up to 45000 feet for two reasons: 1 - because oxygen levels are low and that de-fuels the fire and 2 - to dive back down in an attempt to manually extinguish the flames.

I know this isn't the sexiest theory because it has nothing to do with malice or terrorism, but it makes a lot of sense.

Original article with less weird looking link is via Wired: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/


This makes the most sense out of anything I've read.


+1 - this guy makes a really convincing argument.


I think he addresses it. The pilot peceives an emergency, types in the location of the nearest acceptable emergency landing field (which he knows by hert due to long experience in the area and training), then turns to the crisis at hand. But he suffocates or passes out, and the plane flies on to the emergency location, then past it, staying stable until it runs out of fuel.
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Anonymous wrote:https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz

fire in plane

MAYDAY MAYDAY FIRE IN PLANE

program to nearest acceptable airport

pull the busses and lose systems (communication, transponders)

Plane now heading in new direction

overcome by smoke

plane flies on until it runs out of fuel


This sounds very plausible in most ways, except for the continued pinging of the engines for another 8 hours.


Not plausible. If they had time to reprogram the plane they would have sent out a distress call or contact ATC


Also, did he fly up to 45,000 asphyxiate the passengers and crew? If so, very morbid to then be flying around on your final flight with a plane full of deceased passengers behind you. And what about the co-pilot? First kill him, then depressurize the cabin (but not the cockpit), then ride around with all those bodies? Extremely morbid and homicidal.


Did you read the article? It says you may choose to fly up to 45000 feet for two reasons: 1 - because oxygen levels are low and that de-fuels the fire and 2 - to dive back down in an attempt to manually extinguish the flames.

I know this isn't the sexiest theory because it has nothing to do with malice or terrorism, but it makes a lot of sense.

Original article with less weird looking link is via Wired: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/


This makes the most sense out of anything I've read.


+1 - this guy makes a really convincing argument.


So a fire was bad enough to knock out ACARS and other electrical equipment, but never knocked out the auto pilot? How does that happen?
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Anonymous wrote:https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz

fire in plane

MAYDAY MAYDAY FIRE IN PLANE

program to nearest acceptable airport

pull the busses and lose systems (communication, transponders)

Plane now heading in new direction

overcome by smoke

plane flies on until it runs out of fuel


This sounds very plausible in most ways, except for the continued pinging of the engines for another 8 hours.


Not plausible. If they had time to reprogram the plane they would have sent out a distress call or contact ATC


Also, did he fly up to 45,000 asphyxiate the passengers and crew? If so, very morbid to then be flying around on your final flight with a plane full of deceased passengers behind you. And what about the co-pilot? First kill him, then depressurize the cabin (but not the cockpit), then ride around with all those bodies? Extremely morbid and homicidal.


Did you read the article? It says you may choose to fly up to 45000 feet for two reasons: 1 - because oxygen levels are low and that de-fuels the fire and 2 - to dive back down in an attempt to manually extinguish the flames.

I know this isn't the sexiest theory because it has nothing to do with malice or terrorism, but it makes a lot of sense.

Original article with less weird looking link is via Wired: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/


This makes the most sense out of anything I've read.


+1 - this guy makes a really convincing argument.


So a fire was bad enough to knock out ACARS and other electrical equipment, but never knocked out the auto pilot? How does that happen?


I am not sure, as I am not familiar with those systems, but if an experienced pilot thinks this is a plausible theory given all of the information released, I'm inclined to believe him.
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According tothis article, "In much of the rest of the world, meanwhile, passengers on various foreign airlines are already routinely using cellphones and other personal wireless devices to make and receive calls in flight."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/technology/29pho...5140481-PxRKUZz/p1VAZ6Cgl6+BPw

It looks like it would depend on whether an individual had their own wifi or if the plane provided wifi.

A blanket statement about cell phones not working on planes doesn't seem to be accurate.

Cell phone do not work on planes. You are a troll.


They do work when you fly low (under 10,000 feet) over 2 densely populated areas of Malaysia - as this plane apparently did AFTER it turned around.

-yet no calls/texts were made.

And - even if the phones/tablets/computers were out of reach, what about the satalite-linked telephones available for a fee in business class on that flight? Passengers/crew had access to those satalite phones.

-yet not a single known call was placed.

Why? The lack of calls came after the plane had apparently risen above its authorized ceiling and went as high as 45,000 feet.

My best guess is all the passengers had been asphixiated by then.
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Yeah, I don't get the working auto pilot when all communication is lost. I'm not familiar with the wiring schematic of the 777.

If I were on a 24 hour news network, I'm sure I could fill up 4 hours guessing Abbott the wiring.
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I'm the 13:59 poster.

According to the Nova Scotia flight referenced in the Wired article, they lost auto pilot. Communication was intermittently working.
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So a fire was bad enough to knock out ACARS and other electrical equipment, but never knocked out the auto pilot? How does that happen?


There's reference to "pulling the busses" in the original story, slang for manualy shutting down electrical systems to try and identify/contain source source of fire. Not all circuits are shut down at once.
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Original article with less weird looking link is via Wired: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/


This makes the most sense out of anything I've read.


+1 - this guy makes a really convincing argument.


So a fire was bad enough to knock out ACARS and other electrical equipment, but never knocked out the auto pilot? How does that happen?


I am not sure, as I am not familiar with those systems, but if an experienced pilot thinks this is a plausible theory given all of the information released, I'm inclined to believe him.


Even though Malaysia says it was deliberate? The Wired author's "startlingly simple" theory is is contrast to what Malaysia is currently saying. He may be disturbed by the theories out there, but they are forming because of this startlingly simple reason: the Malaysian's said it was deliberate. (I asked some why's about this last page, and forgot to add this.)
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Flight simulator at pilot's home apparently showed five landing strips in the Indian Ocean.
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Anonymous wrote:Flight simulator at pilot's home apparently showed five landing strips in the Indian Ocean.


Source?
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Original article with less weird looking link is via Wired: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/


This makes the most sense out of anything I've read.


+1 - this guy makes a really convincing argument.


So a fire was bad enough to knock out ACARS and other electrical equipment, but never knocked out the auto pilot? How does that happen?


I am not sure, as I am not familiar with those systems, but if an experienced pilot thinks this is a plausible theory given all of the information released, I'm inclined to believe him.


Even though Malaysia says it was deliberate? The Wired author's "startlingly simple" theory is is contrast to what Malaysia is currently saying. He may be disturbed by the theories out there, but they are forming because of this startlingly simple reason: the Malaysian's said it was deliberate. (I asked some why's about this last page, and forgot to add this.)


Malaysia has made it abundantly clear that they are unequipped to carry out an investigation of this scope, so no, I don't particularly believe them. They are probably also scared that it was a preventable malfunction for which they could be liable.
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Anonymous wrote:Flight simulator at pilot's home apparently showed five landing strips in the Indian Ocean.


Source?


Holy shit. That sounds like a major development. I'm off to goggle it.
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Anonymous wrote:Flight simulator at pilot's home apparently showed five landing strips in the Indian Ocean.


Source?


+1

I have not seen this reported anywhere.
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Anonymous wrote:Flight simulator at pilot's home apparently showed five landing strips in the Indian Ocean.


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Holy shit. That sounds like a major development. I'm off to goggle it.


I don't know that it's a major development. He was by all accounts very enthusiastic about flying. If he did those long haul flights regularly, he probably practiced emergency landings at airports and landing strips. And those 5 landing strips could easily be the closest ones to particular points along the route.
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The fire doesn't make sense to me. Protocol in a fire is oxygen masks on first. So pilots wouldn't have been immediately incapacitated. They have oxygen in tanks and it would have lasted more than long enough for them to send a distress call. Also a distress call would have gone out as soon as they turned the plan around. Pilots in emergencies immediately contact ATC and ask for the nearest point of landing. If the pilots were still flying then, and reprogramming the flight they would have sent out a Mayday or distress call. especially seeing as another pilot was able to establish radio contact and heard mumbling (aka pilots were still conscious). Also the plane didn't just run and fly in a straight line as it would have if they had just reprogrammed it and set it to autopilot.

Also if the fire started in the cockpit, then the passengers and flight crew would still have been fine until they started to smell smoke, oxygen masks dropped etc. As they were close to land, phone calls would have been attempted and texts sent and the texts would have gone through as soon as they were back over the Malay peninsula.

It makes zero sense that pilots with oxygen masks on would not send out a distress call or contact ATC
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