FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:Parent here.

The building my kids go to doesn’t dictate their success or failure. Thats on me and the teacher. Period.

Sure sounds like a lot of people here are saying that they don’t want THEIR kids going to school with THOSE kids.

Just my two cents.

Oh sweet summer child.

Your kids success can and will be decided by the other kids they go to school with because they impact the environment in which your kids have to learn. If the kids around them are well behaved and smart everybody will learn. If there are a bunch of poorly behaved hooligans, or kids who barely speak the language, or kids who constantly need extra attention from the teacher, your kids lose.

So because your kid benefit from the current arrangement, other kids should be fine dealing with the “hooligans” and other challenges associated with Lewis, simply because it’s inconvenient to your child to try and remedy the issues?

It’s the audacity for me…

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Anonymous wrote:So because your kid benefit from the current arrangement, other kids should be fine dealing with the “hooligans” and other challenges associated with Lewis, simply because it’s inconvenient to your child to try and remedy the issues?

It’s the audacity for me…

No. The school board should figure out how to fix the problems at Lewis, Herndon, etc. without negatively impacting kids who are doing fine where they are. This plan of shuffling kids around so all schools are about even in terms of underperforming students doesn't benefit anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Parent here.

The building my kids go to doesn’t dictate their success or failure. Thats on me and the teacher. Period.

Sure sounds like a lot of people here are saying that they don’t want THEIR kids going to school with THOSE kids.

Just my two cents.

Oh sweet summer child.

Your kids success can and will be decided by the other kids they go to school with because they impact the environment in which your kids have to learn. If the kids around them are well behaved and smart everybody will learn. If there are a bunch of poorly behaved hooligans, or kids who barely speak the language, or kids who constantly need extra attention from the teacher, your kids lose.

So because your kid benefit from the current arrangement, other kids should be fine dealing with the “hooligans” and other challenges associated with Lewis, simply because it’s inconvenient to your child to try and remedy the issues?

It’s the audacity for me…

DP. Quite the euphemism in your post “inconvenient”.

And I do wonder, do you look at it as a zero sum game? Because if so, you’re just stealing from my kid for the sake of yours. Tell me about audacity.

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Anonymous wrote:They won't touch Keene Mill. That school brings in a good amount of diversity to WSHS.

It's going to be Hunt Valley, folks. No way to get around that. Most of the neighborhoods (if not all) that border the parkway after Gambrill, go to Lewis.

Just saying this over and over isn't going to make it true. Saratoga goes to Lewis. The other neighborhoods around Gambrill go to South County.

Saratoga Mom REALLY wants to.make it true.

Saratoga is never getting rezoned out of Lewis lol. Better save up and move out

Don’t need to save now that additional kids and resources will be dedicated to Lewis. My kids will be just fine You probably want to move though. Ya know, to save your kid from the trauma of having to change schools and being around more brown people.

Some of us are brown and black and we don’t want our kids leaving WSHS.

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Anonymous wrote:So because your kid benefit from the current arrangement, other kids should be fine dealing with the “hooligans” and other challenges associated with Lewis, simply because it’s inconvenient to your child to try and remedy the issues?

It’s the audacity for me…

No. The school board should figure out how to fix the problems at Lewis, Herndon, etc. without negatively impacting kids who are doing fine where they are. This plan of shuffling kids around so all schools are about even in terms of underperforming students doesn't benefit anyone.

Yes, moving UMC higher achieving kids to a lower SES school are not going to fix any problems.

We moved from a lower SES area to McLean. I don’t notice much difference in teachers. The main difference is the parents. In our old neighborhood, there were many blue collar workers who were not college educated. In McLean, most parents are grad school educated. They didn’t just go to college and grad schools . Many attended top college and grad schools. To be able to afford a home in McLean, you also need to have money. The actual school isn’t very different. It is the families.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly kids need to either get shifted to Centreville or Herndon. Extend the Herndon boundary south, keep shifting and everything works out. People will be unhappy, but meh. You aren't touching Langley and that's the big "no-no".

We are zoned for Langley. We live close so not worried about rezoning for our family. Ever since we moved here 5 years ago, I have heard about potential rezoning and there have been tiny tweaks.

It sounds like people often want parts of great falls to be rezoned to Herndon. Who do they want to go to Langley in place? Do they want to move some Herndon kids to Langley and move great falls kids to Herndon? That doesn’t make logistical sense.

I can tell you how they'll likely go about this (it doesn't involve moving any Herndon kids to Langley), but please confirm you'd welcome an explanation.

Otherwise, the other Langley poster who tries to police all these threads will probably accuse me of being an advocate for this change when I've just tried to shed light on what they likely have in mind so that others can think more about this and organize.

It's telling that all her venom hasn't discouraged McDaniel, Lady, Frisch, etc one iota.

What a weird power play tease. All you need to say is that they likely move part of McLean to Langley and then part of Forestville to Herndon. No need to be all cloak and dagger about it.

Ah, so it’s OK to acknowledge this when it comes out of your mouth, just not others? Got it.

Although if they mess with these boundaries, it could be all of Forestville or everything west of Springvale, not just part of Forestville.

Weird hostility.

But agree with you that it might also be all of Forestville.

Not weird at all when a nasty Langley poster responded in the past that even identifying these scenarios - the same ones being discussed now- was an attack on Langley and that we should “stop trying to make fetch happen,” etc.

We tried to tell you this was coming. Better late than never that it’s finally being taken seriously.

DP. Where do your kids currently go to school?

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

So are you saying decisions should be based proximity to the high school? Western Langley pyramid fervently disagrees.

This was refuted yesterday and you just ignored it, so I will repeat it for you. Langley less than twenty minutes, Herndon high about fifteen. Turns out there’s no easy way to get across 7.

Advocate all you want, but do it honestly, because bus time is not a real reason for that school to be redistricted.

What time did you take your estimate and did you account for stops along the route?

7/7:30. Stops along the route would cancel each other out when comparing times. I travel Georgetown Pike for work frequently and the only issue that I ever encounter is a tree down or car broken down.

Travel times is a big nothing burger pretext.

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I've often been behind school buses headed for Cooper or Langley at that hour (I live further west than Forestville), and follow them the entire way, stops and all. It has never, ever taken anywhere close to an hour. Usually - MAX - 35 minutes. Who is traveling an hour one-way in FCPS? Definitely most of the TJ kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parent here.

The building my kids go to doesn’t dictate their success or failure. Thats on me and the teacher. Period.

Sure sounds like a lot of people here are saying that they don’t want THEIR kids going to school with THOSE kids.

Just my two cents.

Oh sweet summer child.

Your kids success can and will be decided by the other kids they go to school with because they impact the environment in which your kids have to learn. If the kids around them are well behaved and smart everybody will learn. If there are a bunch of poorly behaved hooligans, or kids who barely speak the language, or kids who constantly need extra attention from the teacher, your kids lose.

Parent here.

In other words, MY kids shouldn’t be in school with THOSE kids. Gotcha.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn't about proximity to the high school - its about the demographics.

Hunt Valley brings what Lewis needs.

So are you saying decisions should be based proximity to the high school? Western Langley pyramid fervently disagrees.

This was refuted yesterday and you just ignored it, so I will repeat it for you. Langley less than twenty minutes, Herndon high about fifteen. Turns out there’s no easy way to get across 7.

Advocate all you want, but do it honestly, because bus time is not a real reason for that school to be redistricted.

What time did you take your estimate and did you account for stops along the route?

7/7:30. Stops along the route would cancel each other out when comparing times. I travel Georgetown Pike for work frequently and the only issue that I ever encounter is a tree down or car broken down.

Travel times is a big nothing burger pretext.

Then why are people always complaining about traffic and backups on Georgetown Pike? I have heard so many people say it takes them forever to get to Cooper and Langley.

We live off Georgetown pike and I have a kid at both cooper and Langley. Cooper is so early and I never have problems driving my kid to cooper in the mornings. My Langley kid takes the bus and there is traffic but it really isn’t that bad.

The afternoon is a whole other issue. 495 bridge construction traffic can cause tons of problems. Some days I fly. Other days it can take 30 min to drive 1-2 miles.

Yup, people always complain about dismissal, afterschool activity pickups and evening meetings. It’s horrible traffic on Georgetown pike. Makes no sense to have kids from near Herndon attend Langley.

Where do your kids go to school?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:For the schools that are overcrowded, like West Springfield, what would be the solution? Buy more trailers? Another huge renovation? At some point, being over capacity could become a safety issue -- like if there's a fire and the hallways are jam packed. The cheapest option would be to shift the students to a school that can handle additional students.

I have kids there.

Here is what I propose:

#1 Do a residency check of all students attending, requiring proof of residency via a utility bill in one parent's name.

My kids all know of several kids using old addresses, grandma's address, etc to attend WSHS who are zoned for other schools. Many of these kids are zoned for good schools, like Robinson, Chantilly, Centerville, SoCo. Their parents bought bigger houses in different zones, but are using old addresses to stay at WSHS.

I used to have one of my kids at a private school in the Lewis zone. On the way from dropping off kid #1 at that school, to dropping off kid #2 at WSHS, nearly every morning I would end up behind carloads of unrelated kids being dropped off by parents from the Lewis school zone. WSHS had been closed to transfers for several years at that point. No students should have been coming in from Lewis to West Springfield.

A residency check on any school at capacity, sending non resident kids back to their zoned school, should be the first step.

Yes, it might be harsh. But it is a lot less harsh than rezoning kids. And it might result in dozens or maybe a hundred kids fewer at WSHS.

Enforce the existing residency requirement.

#2 Eliminate the Sangster split feeder and send all Sangster neighborhoods to Lake Braddock.

Anyone in that West Springfield community knows that this would be a very uncontroversial rezoning, as there is so much overlap between the WS and LB communities. It is doubtful that anyone would hear a peep over this rezoning.

If FCPS does these 2 simple things, they could drop the enrollment at WSHS by 100 to 150 or more students, with minimal disruptions, except to the families breaking residency rules by claiming grandmas address.

Careful what you wish for. This may prevent you from staying at your current school if lines get redrawn.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh I just bought a house zoned for Keene Mill/Irving/West Springfield. Am I screwed?

ANYONE who has a school with a GreatSchools rating of 7 or higher is probably screwed. Even if they don't move you to a new school, they'll move other kids in to make sure all schools get a nice even 5. Property values will take a proportionate hit.

I keep hearing this from you(?), but I’m not sure. People aren’t having many kids these days and they don’t usually relocate to this area without some cushy job. I don’t think schools are a top issue for most people around here.

You haven't met many people here, have you Kyle?

Explain then why voters elected the current school board. You think parents wanted these folks?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s crazy that he thinks only seniors would be grandfathered in to major boundary changes. They should start any changes at the high school level with a freshman class. Can you imagine having a junior have to switch high schools? All the work and bonding with sports, music, theater, etc. not to mention their course selections mapped out for their most important academic year. That guy sounds nuts.

It completely screws up college applications for any students who have to transfer.

No leadership positions. No team captain roles. Disruption to sports teams. No class offices.

Different class options.

Different levels in the music programs.

Etc, etc.

What a stupid, selfish move by McDaniels.

Thank you to all of you who voted for him without paying attention to anything that came out of his mouth.

Oh please. Neither he nor any of the other candidates talked about this. They carefully never mentioned anything about this.

You don’t have to talk about everything especially things that the parties agree on internally. It’s all carried over from the previous group.

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Anonymous wrote:They won't touch Keene Mill. That school brings in a good amount of diversity to WSHS.

It's going to be Hunt Valley, folks. No way to get around that. Most of the neighborhoods (if not all) that border the parkway after Gambrill, go to Lewis.

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Hunt Valley is the farthests neighborhood away from.Lewis, with the exception of Sangster.

Keene Mill is the closest.

BOTH west Springfield elem and keene mill are 3.2 miles away from Lewis. Keene mill is 2 miles from wshs and west Springfield is closer. We walk to Irving because it is in our community.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s crazy that he thinks only seniors would be grandfathered in to major boundary changes. They should start any changes at the high school level with a freshman class. Can you imagine having a junior have to switch high schools? All the work and bonding with sports, music, theater, etc. not to mention their course selections mapped out for their most important academic year. That guy sounds nuts.

It completely screws up college applications for any students who have to transfer.

No leadership positions. No team captain roles. Disruption to sports teams. No class offices.

Different class options.

Different levels in the music programs.

Etc, etc.

What a stupid, selfish move by McDaniels.

Thank you to all of you who voted for him without paying attention to anything that came out of his mouth.

Oh please. Neither he nor any of the other candidates talked about this. They carefully never mentioned anything about this.

You don’t have to talk about everything especially things that the parties agree on internally. It’s all carried over from the previous group.

Yeah you talk about this.

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Anonymous wrote:So because your kid benefit from the current arrangement, other kids should be fine dealing with the “hooligans” and other challenges associated with Lewis, simply because it’s inconvenient to your child to try and remedy the issues?

It’s the audacity for me…

No. The school board should figure out how to fix the problems at Lewis, Herndon, etc. without negatively impacting kids who are doing fine where they are. This plan of shuffling kids around so all schools are about even in terms of underperforming students doesn't benefit anyone.

Schools cannot fix the types of problems found at these schools. Only the federal government can fix the border. As a parent with kids in feeder schools to one of these, just know that it isn't going to get better the next couple of years. These kids have been coming all year and at this point, there are so many they simply speak their native language in class to each other only and are not attempting even attempting English.