US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:This judgement from the court is very confusing.

1) It DID NOT OVERRULE GRUTTER which prohibits quotas and prevents insulation of applicants from certain racial classes from competition, but allowed diversity as a compelling interest

2) All the decision says is that Harvard's program and UNC's program as constituted violate the 14th Amendment, the same way the court ruled in Gratz vs Bollinger in 2003 and yet race based Affirmative Action did not stop after Gratz

3) It leaves open that a newly constituted Affirmative Action program "could" pass strict scrutiny by making sure that they
(a) don't have quotas,
(b) show a compelling interest that does not include diversity, righting past discrimination or rectifying historic deficit of certain races in a university,
(c) they don't use race as a stereo type and
(d) they have a clear end date.

I am going to get Harvard and other elites are going to come up with some other scheme to try to needle this thread

Thomas's concurrence explicitly stated the court is overturning Grutter.

Harvard needs a real paying attorney. It relied too much on free legal advice it was reading from anonymous forums.

Read his opinion carefully. He added a caveat,
"Grutter is, for all intents and purposes, overruled" It's not REALLY overruled

Plus that's his individual opinion. The majority opinion, did not say this at all. Only the majority ruling is binding

Plus there court arrived at the same conclusion in Gratz, that University of Michigan's undergraduate policy violated the 14 th amendment, just like they have ruled on Harvard and UNC. The Gratz decision from 2003 did not stop race based Affirmative Action

All any University has to do, is say, it's changed it's policy slightly and carry on as if nothing has happened. Then somebody will sue after a few years.

By the time the case lands again in the Supreme Court it will be almost a decade. SFFA, First filled in 2014.

At that time if the court is still conservative, they can again rule that the new policy is also unconstitutional. The university already gets 10 years to keep doing what it is doing.


Then they go back and try again. And so it goes.

This decision is not what the media is making it out to be. It's a nothing burger. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

Number of Asian students has been increasing already.

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Harvard just got b slapped, and it knew it was coming. Asian presence has been increasing for the past few years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Number of Asian students increasing means what exactly in this context ? I I'll tell you what it means . Harvard class of 2027 is made up of something like 1,942 students for an applicant pool of 59,000+. Acceptance is 3.7%. Harvard will CONTINUE to admit those you've come to believe didn't earn it despite failing to prove it , repeatedly.

As such, all the ' i have a perfect SAT , why am I not at Harvard crowd' will still have to contend with a 97% rejection rate. Keep in mind that of those admitted, about 137 are international students.So, you're left with a little over 1,000 spots for American students exclusively, of which close to half will be legacies. Good luck !

You sound mad at the simple fact

You sound like you overplayed your hand and you can't make a u-turn.There is fantasy and there's the real world .

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Anonymous wrote:This judgement from the court is very confusing.

1) It DID NOT OVERRULE GRUTTER which prohibits quotas and prevents insulation of applicants from certain racial classes from competition, but allowed diversity as a compelling interest

2) All the decision says is that Harvard's program and UNC's program as constituted violate the 14th Amendment, the same way the court ruled in Gratz vs Bollinger in 2003 and yet race based Affirmative Action did not stop after Gratz

3) It leaves open that a newly constituted Affirmative Action program "could" pass strict scrutiny by making sure that they
(a) don't have quotas,
(b) show a compelling interest that does not include diversity, righting past discrimination or rectifying historic deficit of certain races in a university,
(c) they don't use race as a stereo type and
(d) they have a clear end date.

I am going to get Harvard and other elites are going to come up with some other scheme to try to needle this thread

Thomas's concurrence explicitly stated the court is overturning Grutter.

Harvard needs a real paying attorney. It relied too much on free legal advice it was reading from anonymous forums.

Read his opinion carefully. He added a caveat,
"Grutter is, for all intents and purposes, overruled" It's not REALLY overruled

Plus that's his individual opinion. The majority opinion, did not say this at all. Only the majority ruling is binding

Plus there court arrived at the same conclusion in Gratz, that University of Michigan's undergraduate policy violated the 14 th amendment, just like they have ruled on Harvard and UNC. The Gratz decision from 2003 did not stop race based Affirmative Action

All any University has to do, is say, it's changed it's policy slightly and carry on as if nothing has happened. Then somebody will sue after a few years.

By the time the case lands again in the Supreme Court it will be almost a decade. SFFA, First filled in 2014.

At that time if the court is still conservative, they can again rule that the new policy is also unconstitutional. The university already gets 10 years to keep doing what it is doing.


Then they go back and try again. And so it goes.

This decision is not what the media is making it out to be. It's a nothing burger. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

Number of Asian students has been increasing already.

+1

Harvard just got b slapped, and it knew it was coming. Asian presence has been increasing for the past few years.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Number of Asian students increasing means what exactly in this context ? I I'll tell you what it means . Harvard class of 2027 is made up of something like 1,942 students for an applicant pool of 59,000+. Acceptance is 3.7%. Harvard will CONTINUE to admit those you've come to believe didn't earn it despite failing to prove it , repeatedly.

As such, all the ' i have a perfect SAT , why am I not at Harvard crowd' will still have to contend with a 97% rejection rate. Keep in mind that of those admitted, about 137 are international students.So, you're left with a little over 1,000 spots for American students exclusively, of which close to half will be legacies. Good luck !

You must be an ALDC

What's wrong ? The facts are too inconvenient for you?

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Anonymous wrote:People who feel entitled to attend any particular school they want are inherently unlikeable to some people. It’s a spoiled brat mindset.

Those must be ALDC

Of course, as well as anyone else who feels entitled to any specific school.

Other than ALDC, there aren't many. P
Normal people usually work really hard to achieve something; they just expect reasonably fair rules.

The amount of entitlement these ALDC families and kids have is unbelievable. Some
URMs also want freebies. What an entilement.

So it’s ok to ALDCs to be entitled but not URMs?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

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This reverse racism stuff is just sad. “Harvard is racist because it gives Blacks advantages in admission.” If that is true, then I assume those who say that would be more than happy to change places, and become Black, because they have it so easy in life.

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Anonymous wrote:This reverse racism stuff is just sad. “Harvard is racist because it gives Blacks advantages in admission.” If that is true, then I assume those who say that would be more than happy to change places, and become Black, because they have it so easy in life.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

The SCOTUS just ruled that Harvard, a private university, needs to stop being a racist. Racist Harvard, and KKK, can no longer hide behind their "private" tax exempt status and their white robes.

You are projecting.

Harvard just got b slapped for being a racist. You are delusional.

No, the SCOTUS wants to protect privilege.

And you clearly don’t understand the meaning of “racist”.

Stop telling SCOTUS what it "really" meant to say. Doesn't matter what you and your grandma think.

The Court has ruled. Live with it.

The invalid and corrupt SCOTUS. It loses credibility every day with ridiculous rulings like this.

Apparently, someone needs to explain it to you since you don’t understand what is really happening here.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

The SCOTUS just ruled that Harvard, a private university, needs to stop being a racist. Racist Harvard, and KKK, can no longer hide behind their "private" tax exempt status and their white robes.

You are projecting.

Harvard just got b slapped for being a racist. You are delusional.

No a racist tried to stop Harvard from caring about black students and now Harvard will double down on recruiting black students.

It's funny how the SCOTUS just ruled against the racist H and all its "friends" are doubling down trying to figure out how to get around the law. Why not comply with the ruling and see what else you can do to help your cause? If you truly care about blacks as you claim, work at the grassroots level. Offer your time and resources at the k-12 level so the less privileged can compete better.

But Roberts said applicants can still show how racism affected their lives, so a cottage industry will likely spring up to help black and Hispanic applicants write these essays. Nothing will change I don't think - the percentages for accepted applicants by race will stay about the same.

Lol, H has been accepting more Asians for the past few years in anticipation of their loss. Look it up.

So? What's that got to do with the likely effects of the ruling on black and Hispanic students going forward ?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

The SCOTUS just ruled that Harvard, a private university, needs to stop being a racist. Racist Harvard, and KKK, can no longer hide behind their "private" tax exempt status and their white robes.

You are projecting.

Harvard just got b slapped for being a racist. You are delusional.

No a racist tried to stop Harvard from caring about black students and now Harvard will double down on recruiting black students.

It's funny how the SCOTUS just ruled against the racist H and all its "friends" are doubling down trying to figure out how to get around the law. Why not comply with the ruling and see what else you can do to help your cause? If you truly care about blacks as you claim, work at the grassroots level. Offer your time and resources at the k-12 level so the less privileged can compete better.

But Roberts said applicants can still show how racism affected their lives, so a cottage industry will likely spring up to help black and Hispanic applicants write these essays. Nothing will change I don't think - the percentages for accepted applicants by race will stay about the same.

Lol, H has been accepting more Asians for the past few years in anticipation of their loss. Look it up.

And this has what exactly to do with the post you were responding to?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

The SCOTUS just ruled that Harvard, a private university, needs to stop being a racist. Racist Harvard, and KKK, can no longer hide behind their "private" tax exempt status and their white robes.

You are projecting.

Harvard just got b slapped for being a racist. You are delusional.

No a racist tried to stop Harvard from caring about black students and now Harvard will double down on recruiting black students.

It's funny how the SCOTUS just ruled against the racist H and all its "friends" are doubling down trying to figure out how to get around the law. Why not comply with the ruling and see what else you can do to help your cause? If you truly care about blacks as you claim, work at the grassroots level. Offer your time and resources at the k-12 level so the less privileged can compete better.

I’m actually doing that but I’m just teaching them lacrosse and crew.

Doesn’t make the previous statement wrong.

A racist group is trying to get Harvard to accept less black people and they won’t.

The case was never about Asians.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

The SCOTUS just ruled that Harvard, a private university, needs to stop being a racist. Racist Harvard, and KKK, can no longer hide behind their "private" tax exempt status and their white robes.

You are projecting.

Harvard just got b slapped for being a racist. You are delusional.

No a racist tried to stop Harvard from caring about black students and now Harvard will double down on recruiting black students.

It's funny how the SCOTUS just ruled against the racist H and all its "friends" are doubling down trying to figure out how to get around the law. Why not comply with the ruling and see what else you can do to help your cause? If you truly care about blacks as you claim, work at the grassroots level. Offer your time and resources at the k-12 level so the less privileged can compete better.

I’m actually doing that but I’m just teaching them lacrosse and crew.

Doesn’t make the previous statement wrong.

A racist group is trying to get Harvard to accept less black people and they won’t.

The case was never about Asians.

the gloaters on this result are going to be very disappointed when they see the next year's class. Not a lot will change, if anything.

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Has anyone assumed you were dumb because of your accent? Has anyone assumed you were dirty because of the color of your skin? Has anyone assumed you were “easy” because you can dance salsa? Has anyone assumed you were a thief because of the shape of your hair?

If not, then please stop playing the victim here. Chad may not get into Harvard, for MANY REASONS, but will do just fine at UVA, Michigan or other “lesser” universities.

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Are you the same person who tries to conflate choosing different hamburger toppings with illegal discrimination?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

The SCOTUS just ruled that Harvard, a private university, needs to stop being a racist. Racist Harvard, and KKK, can no longer hide behind their "private" tax exempt status and their white robes.

You are projecting.

Harvard just got b slapped for being a racist. You are delusional.

No, the SCOTUS wants to protect privilege.

And you clearly don’t understand the meaning of “racist”.

Stop telling SCOTUS what it "really" meant to say. Doesn't matter what you and your grandma think.

The Court has ruled. Live with it.

The Court has ruled. Not much will change.

The college mission of diversity remains. The means to achieve it will get tweaked a little, that's all.

Bruce Li will still get rejected.

But now you can't blame the URM: affirmative action is banned.

Live with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't an applicant's name convey race in a vast, vast number of cases? It must be about 90% accurate.

Yes, of course. And people are still free to talk about their backgrounds in their essays. And AOs are still able to chose with their own inherent set of biases, so long as those biases cannot be proven.

It was proved this time.

It can be proved next time.

Hellow to huge law suits.

Is it worth it?

If they are no longer collecting any data on race (no boxes to check) how are lawsuits going to provde discrimination? There is no rule that says a college must select only students with the highest GPA's.

Also Asians kids have recived higher scores on ECs, leadership, interview, etc. as well as GPA and Tests.
AOs and interviwers have given higher scores to Asians on almsot every factors.

What is it with some people and the obsession with higher education? There is more to life. Aren’t you bored out of your gourd? It seems robotic to some people who can’t hyper focus on one thing for their entire life. It’s insufferable.

You’re insufferable to us too. So there is that

Ohhh burn. Hey, at least I am confident and secure enough in my own abilities, a state school is just fine. Obsessing over getting into an Ivy League is just so gauche.

I agree. There’s a difference between caring about education and being obsessed with it only being delivered from the mouths of Top 50 professors.

This is ultimately about discrimination and double standards using race as a benchmark, not specifically about Ivy league colleges. Would you have said the same thing to black people - omg stop obsessing over getting to live in certain neighborhoods (redlining) it's so .. gauche

Some may be quite shocked when they have perfect stats and still fail to gain entry into a ‘prestigious’ university. It’s a crap shoot and you don’t always get what you want. You will, though, be able to receive a high quality education at a ‘less desirable’ school. It happens to the best of us, of all colors, btdt. You have to look at the bigger picture. Many of my colleagues attended state schools, they are some of the most respected and brightest in the field, way more impressive than the ones who attended an ivy. It’s not comparable to blacks wanting to get into a white neighborhood. College admissions is unpredictable, these are private institutions, they don’t owe anyone an explanation, especially now with AA gone.

We still need more clear rules, fairness, and transparencty.
We can start from that.

Private universities don’t need provide any rules or transparency.

And it was never about “fairness”. It’s about white conservatives trying to retain whatever power they have left. They DGAF about women or Asian kids.

The SCOTUS just ruled that Harvard, a private university, needs to stop being a racist. Racist Harvard, and KKK, can no longer hide behind their "private" tax exempt status and their white robes.

You are projecting.

Harvard just got b slapped for being a racist. You are delusional.

No, the SCOTUS wants to protect privilege.

And you clearly don’t understand the meaning of “racist”.

Stop telling SCOTUS what it "really" meant to say. Doesn't matter what you and your grandma think.

The Court has ruled. Live with it.

The Court has ruled. Not much will change.

The college mission of diversity remains. The means to achieve it will get tweaked a little, that's all.

Bruce Li will still get rejected.

But now you can't blame the URM: affirmative action is banned.

Live with it.

Harvard Asian presence has been going up ever since the lawsuit. Try to pay attention.

Harvard gussies up its Asian admissions numbers |
https://studentsforfairadmissions.org/harvard-gussies-up-its-asian-admissions-numbers/