Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:No Palestinian ever called me the n word.

So you look at everything through the lens of whether someone from a given group happened to say something nasty to you.

What a myopic, self-involved response.

+1. African American here to say this conflict cannot be mapped onto a US race relations framework and I deeply wish people would stop trying to shoehorn it into one. It is offensive to compare Hamas actions in Gaza to Nat Turner’s slave revolt or other uprisings against *actual chattel slavery* (as I have seen Norman Finkelstein and other critics of Israel do) and it is ridiculous that BLM and other community “leaders” tolerate this appropriation of the African American experience. What happened to the left’s babbling about “cultural appropriation”??? Hamas’s violence is not entitled to the moral high ground that abolitionists occupied. Last I checked, American slaves did not have an entire UN agency, multiple NGOs and wealthy state donors tending to them while they worked out their political issues. Stop comparing yourselves to us. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

+1

Very well said.

It makes me very, very uncomfortable when I see white far leftists compare Hamas to Nat Turner favorably. It is awful and thoughtless cultural appropriation.

These are the same people, though, who said Aleksey Navalnyy was ultimately privileged because he’s white.

They’re truly morons.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1716994962703724728?s=46

GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

In THIS particular college demonstration, were any of those slogans used?

Murdered civilians are very typically described as martyrs; that is my only comment on this matter.

You tell us....

That library was donated by Holocaust survivors and their family.

Disgusting behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No Palestinian ever called me the n word.

So you look at everything through the lens of whether someone from a given group happened to say something nasty to you.

What a myopic, self-involved response.

+1. African American here to say this conflict cannot be mapped onto a US race relations framework and I deeply wish people would stop trying to shoehorn it into one. It is offensive to compare Hamas actions in Gaza to Nat Turner’s slave revolt or other uprisings against *actual chattel slavery* (as I have seen Norman Finkelstein and other critics of Israel do) and it is ridiculous that BLM and other community “leaders” tolerate this appropriation of the African American experience. What happened to the left’s babbling about “cultural appropriation”??? Hamas’s violence is not entitled to the moral high ground that abolitionists occupied. Last I checked, American slaves did not have an entire UN agency, multiple NGOs and wealthy state donors tending to them while they worked out their political issues. Stop comparing yourselves to us. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

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[Anonymous]

As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.

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Anonymous wrote:This is happening all over the world -- at NYU at Columbia, and here in London. These are not simply pro-Palestinian protesters calling for peace, for statehood -- which I get and respect.

These people pulling down posters everywhere are AGAINST supporting kidnapped hostages. They are handmaidens of Hamas.

Completely undermines the argument that they are pro-peace and only want Palestinian suffering to end.

They are anti-civilization.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1712527878774997234

More "pro-Palestinians" pulling posters down.

Guess “we” should arrest them and their families. No trial needed, no proof…just someone on Twitter doxxing them. Good enough. Let’s make the USA just like Gaza and the West Bank!

I'd also tear them down. These people aren't missing in Miami so why post their pictures in Miami?

You would seriously tear down a poster of a missing 4 year old just because he’s not missing in the USA?

What's the purpose of these posters? The 4 year old is not missing, we know exactly where they are being held. What additional information or tips is anyone expecting from residents of Miami?
Why is propaganda and domestic issues of a foreign nation plastered on American cities? I don't see posters of the thousands of Gaza children missing or of the millions of others missing around the world.

I may not agree with the tone, nor do I agree with people ripping posters down, but I agree with some of the substance. The massacre on Oct 7 was horrific, but what exactly does this have to do with the U.S.? If posters are your thing, maybe care about local children and plaster posters of missing and exploited American children around your town. The PP used the word propaganda -it does come across that way instead of a heart felt gesture to remember people.

The point of the posters is propaganda.

The secondary purpose to generate outrage when someone rips them down, and use that as evidence of antisemitism. It’s a tired trope that has worked in the past.

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Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

They did not target the church itself.

Right, they targeted an adjacent building where Christians, including former rep. Amash's relatives, were sheltering, killing them. And they knew it would damage the historic church.

There was a Hamas command center next to the church. Would your recommendation be that Israel just leave the command center be?

Former rep. Amash's relatives were not members of Hamas. They didn't need to die. You're the king of false dilemmas.

I’m not sure you’re clear on what collateral damage is.

Collateral damage is warfare propaganda by countries that are not held accountable.

I guess Christian lives don't matter. They're just "collateral damage".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.

You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Re-posting with fixed link.

Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

They did not target the church itself.

Right, they targeted an adjacent building where Christians, including former rep. Amash's relatives, were sheltering, killing them. And they knew it would damage the historic church.

There was a Hamas command center next to the church. Would your recommendation be that Israel just leave the command center be?

Former rep. Amash's relatives were not members of Hamas. They didn't need to die. You're the king of false dilemmas.

I’m not sure you’re clear on what collateral damage is.

Collateral damage is warfare propaganda by countries that are not held accountable.

I guess Christian lives don't matter. They're just "collateral damage".

Lives matter. All lives lost in war are collateral damage of the failure to settle for peace. Stop.

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Anonymous wrote:https://twitter.com/stopantisemites/status/1716994962703724728?s=46

GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

Yup. No way to do that without eliminating Israel. And if it’s done under current Gaza leadership, that means Hamas would rule that entire land.

They would murder every single Jew, Christian, etc.

The original charter of Netanyahu’s Likud party is sickening too, then? Right? Right????

“The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

Yes. It is.

Agreed. Biden hugging this murderous, bigoted war criminal was a bridge too far.

He will never get my vote again.

Over DeSantis? Trump?

DP. Biden has lost my vote also. No, not voting for DeSantis or Trump. Might do 3rd party or write one in. But not Biden unless he starts doing things differently.

As someone who had tentatively decided to sit this election out prior to 10/7 and who had cut all donations over this last year, Biden’s handling of this has changed my mind. So we are going to cancel each other out.

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Anonymous wrote:This is happening all over the world -- at NYU at Columbia, and here in London. These are not simply pro-Palestinian protesters calling for peace, for statehood -- which I get and respect.

These people pulling down posters everywhere are AGAINST supporting kidnapped hostages. They are handmaidens of Hamas.

Completely undermines the argument that they are pro-peace and only want Palestinian suffering to end.

They are anti-civilization.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1712527878774997234

More "pro-Palestinians" pulling posters down.

Where are the posters for the hundreds of Palestinian children who went missing during Israel’s bombing of Gaza?

Is it antisemitic to care about them?

You could make some. And they wouldn’t get torn down.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

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Anonymous wrote:This objective and educated history lesson on Palestine from Stanford University (a reliable source) is very useful.

From my many, many conversations with Palestinians, even most Gazans and other Arab Muslims don't know their own history:

https://stanfordreview.org/deception-palestinian-nationalism/

The PR/media campaign that fails to take into consideration actual facts does scare me since it leads to extremist viewpoints in the US that tends to feed both Antisemitism and Islamaphobia, as well as other hatred. Each person must do their very best to educate themselves and speak honestly and truthfully. It's not a PR Campaign. It is real people.

X1000

Please do not describe this undergraduate student essay in a conservative student paper as "actual facts". I can quote the exact same type of op-ed from student papers regarding divestment from South Africa. They will sound equally impressive to the ignorant. And it was equally wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:As an American taxpayer with no real interest in how the problem is resolved, I feel used by Israel. I feel like they have so abused their position of power and authority (and my money) and are now attempting to drag my country and our soldiers into this war.

All the relentless comparisons to ISIS and Nazis are hyperbolic. There is no existential threat to Israel or the Jewish people. There does seem to be an existential threat to the Palestinian people.

I am for pulling out of the MidEast permanently. Let them solve their problems without any more US money or interference.

You are wrong about that. If the US pulled support of Israel, it would be the end of Israel.

It is past time the US stopped shielding Israel from its war crimes.

If Israel needs to commit a genocide to exit, then maybe the Israel shouldn’t exist. The third reich is gone, but Germans are thriving. Israel could end and Jews could live in a new democracy that doesn’t require keeping Palestinians in a concentration camp or killing them en masse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Great! If Arafat had accepted the deal, those brand new settlements would not exist and that's a fact. Palestine would be 23 years old.

So the settlers currently stealing Palestinian land and killing Palestinians are doing so because of Arafat?

Here is an article that attempts to capture the failures of each side in the Oslo Accords.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-the-oslo-accords-failed/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is happening all over the world -- at NYU at Columbia, and here in London. These are not simply pro-Palestinian protesters calling for peace, for statehood -- which I get and respect.

These people pulling down posters everywhere are AGAINST supporting kidnapped hostages. They are handmaidens of Hamas.

Completely undermines the argument that they are pro-peace and only want Palestinian suffering to end.

They are anti-civilization.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1712527878774997234

More "pro-Palestinians" pulling posters down.

Guess “we” should arrest them and their families. No trial needed, no proof…just someone on Twitter doxxing them. Good enough. Let’s make the USA just like Gaza and the West Bank!

I'd also tear them down. These people aren't missing in Miami so why post their pictures in Miami?

You would seriously tear down a poster of a missing 4 year old just because he’s not missing in the USA?

NP. We have these posters all over my town. I’m super sympathetic to Israel, but find this unnecessary. I teach kindergarten, and very young children are expressing concern about their own safety. They don’t understand this is thousands of miles away. The posters also feel voyeuristic over another community’s pain -We all know the Hamas victims aren’t hidden away in our community. I am all for visible signs of support, but the kidnap posters feel like one of those “grand gestures” that is meant to shock, but will ultimately not do any thing.

Well, they’ve certainly managed to smoke out a number of virulent antisemitic health care providers who clearly could not be trusted to safely care for patients. I’d say that’s a win across the board and I’m not even Jewish. People with such significant antisemitism and so little impulse control should not be in a healthcare setting.