Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:This is happening all over the world -- at NYU at Columbia, and here in London. These are not simply pro-Palestinian protesters calling for peace, for statehood -- which I get and respect.

These people pulling down posters everywhere are AGAINST supporting kidnapped hostages. They are handmaidens of Hamas.

Completely undermines the argument that they are pro-peace and only want Palestinian suffering to end.

They are anti-civilization.

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1712527878774997234

More "pro-Palestinians" pulling posters down.

Guess “we” should arrest them and their families. No trial needed, no proof…just someone on Twitter doxxing them. Good enough. Let’s make the USA just like Gaza and the West Bank!

I'd also tear them down. These people aren't missing in Miami so why post their pictures in Miami?

You would seriously tear down a poster of a missing 4 year old just because he’s not missing in the USA?

NP. We have these posters all over my town. I’m super sympathetic to Israel, but find this unnecessary. I teach kindergarten, and very young children are expressing concern about their own safety. They don’t understand this is thousands of miles away. The posters also feel voyeuristic over another community’s pain -We all know the Hamas victims aren’t hidden away in our community. I am all for visible signs of support, but the kidnap posters feel like one of those “grand gestures” that is meant to shock, but will ultimately not do any thing.

I have a 7 year old Jewish child who would see one of those posters and not know what it is.

So I don’t believe you that your kindergartners are being traumatized by the posters, unless someone is telling them what they are.

Some young children can read or have older siblings. All it takes is one or two in a class to give a brief outline that they read something concerning. Most children will find posters talking about missing people to be alarming. If your 7 year oldchild is able to pass by posters all over of many, many missing people and not be curious or alarmed, that is not normal. Children do not need to be told great detail to understand when something is wrong.

Right, You're protecting the precious children.

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Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Why don't we send the Jews to Alaska instead?

And here we have it . . . the conflation of Jews and Israel.

Just be honest -- you hate Jews. Admitting it out loud will be good for you. It's a first step. Maybe you an take some FMLA and go join Hezbollah or PIJ or Hamas. Act out your violent fantasies. Die a martyr. Have fun!

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Israel bombed a Christian church that dates back to the 12th century, killing relatives of former MI rep Justin Amash.

They did not target the church itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really discussing where we should “send the Jews”???

Equal treatment for all - Half this thread is about exiling Palestinians to a random Arab country (mainly Egypt) or to Minnesota.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Inconvenient fact alert.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

Yup. No way to do that without eliminating Israel. And if it’s done under current Gaza leadership, that means Hamas would rule that entire land.

They would murder every single Jew, Christian, etc.

Umm. There are Christians in Gaza. Two of them, relatives of former congressman Justin Amash, were killed when Israel bombed a church they were sheltering in.

Anecdote but I have never met a Palestinian Christian who has positive things to say about Israel and its treatment of Palestinians or Christian Palestinians.

Right. Christians are also non-Jewish and are second class citizens in Israel. In the occupied land, they are just the same as as any other Palestinian, who Israelis call “cockroaches” in common talk.

The ultra orthodox are toxic. They spit on nuns, they spit on anyone who they think is a Christian.

And they don’t represent all Israelis. Stop acting like they do.

It's astounding that they are allowed to go around doing things like this. Here in the US, spitting on someone can be considered assault. But apparently Israel allows this. Especially sickening to see the children doing this as well, it's degenerate behavior being taught father to son.

They were arrested:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/middleeast/jerusalem-christians-spitting-israel-intl/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:Are we really discussing where we should “send the Jews”???

Equal treatment for all - Half this thread is about exiling Palestinians to a random Arab country (mainly Egypt) or to Minnesota.

So you’re endorsing ethnic cleansing for everyone. Just to be clear.

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GW students projected “Glory to our martyrs” onto a building.

Is this what you all term simply being pro-Palestinian people?

In Arab/Muslim culture, any victim of a murder is considered a martyr. This doesn’t necessarily glorify militants. The martyrs are likely dead civilians. Dumb because they should know not everyone understands that.

Because these slogans are totally just about mourning civilians:

Glory to our martyrs
Free Palestine From the river to the sea
Divestment from Zionist genocide now

You also know that jihadist terrorist groups consistently use martyr language to talk about their fighters who die.

Can you think of a country that doesn't glorify soldiers killed in battle?

And, it is totally another to glorify the terrorists who attacked innocent civilians and slaughtered them - including infants, women and toddlers.
That is what we are seeing around the world and sadly, right here in the US.

+1000

+ a million.

How exactly does one “free Palestine From River to Sea”?

Sickening.

Yup. No way to do that without eliminating Israel. And if it’s done under current Gaza leadership, that means Hamas would rule that entire land.

They would murder every single Jew, Christian, etc.

The original charter of Netanyahu’s Likud party is sickening too, then? Right? Right????

“The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.”

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

Yes. It is.

Agreed. Biden hugging this murderous, bigoted war criminal was a bridge too far.

He will never get my vote again.

That’s a shame, because I believe Biden truly wants peace.

I wish I could believe that. But all I see now are his hugging that schmuck and dead babies by the thousands killed by his bombs, on top of the dead babies killed by the terrorists.

Try harder to understand the contours of diplomacy then. You don’t have to vote for him but I would say he’s the only reason Israel hasn’t exercised even less restraint.

I work in intentional affairs and have taught classes on diplomacy. More importantly, I am a human. I cannot abide the appeasement of this monster. The hug will d manage US interests for generations to come.

Ok, I disagree. If he hadn’t gone to Isreal things would look much grimmer today. You know it, you just don’t like it.

Straw man. He could have gone to Israel, declined to hug that monster, and pressed for a ceasefire.

That’s not what straw man means. I still maintain that Biden did more good than harm in his visit.

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Anonymous wrote:the world will turn on isreal if they are not careful...there are plenty of people already on the fence about their approach. killings thousands of children is not right! regardless of how we got here. when you do this, you are just like the original attackers. tell me whats different? they kill innocent people and now you're killing innocent people?

No one in their right mind thinks Israel is an innocent victim in this crisis and Israel's attempt to browbeat people into picking a side is failing miserably. Dead babies are dead babies whether Israeli or Palestinian.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/content/sg/speeches/2023-10-24/secretary-generals-remarks-the-security-council-the-middle-east%C2%A0

Or whether they’re German or British, right?

Why are you trying to re-prosecute WWII? You know it ended 78 years ago, right? And that the Geneva Conventions were established in large part to avoid the civilian casualties and atrocities that occurred then? Yes, I expect Israel to behave better than blitzing civilians. We all agree that it was horrible in WWII and it's horrible now. And also legally a war crime now.

I’m pointing it out in response to posters saying Israel is like the Nazis and trying to excuse what the Allies did.

Every state commits war crimes. Every single one. Hamas has committed them too.

So criticize Israel all you want, but at least be honest about it.

No you're not. You're not being honest either. So let's be honest, Hamas is not a state and this is not a war. This is a police action by a state against its protectorate territory.

If you really want a parallel to the distant past then it is most similar to either the French in Algeria or the British in Mahdist Sudan.

So we’re back to “Israel is a colonizer.” Sigh.

No that is your projection. It's an uncomfortable fact that Palestine is not a state, that Israel is in charge of its supposed international borders, and that there is a massive technological difference between the weapons each side has.

But you're right it's much more like the British destruction of the Mahdists then the French in Algeria.

Palestine is recognized as a state by 139 countries and it has UN observer status. Sorry — you don’t get to act as though Palestine is devoid of agency.

The ICRC are also UN observers. I'm not saying that Palestinians are devoid of agency. Nevertheless it is unmistakenable, unquestionable, uncomfortable fact that Palestine is not a state and that Israel is its occupying power. That one simple yet inarguable fact is very important.

There are only two UN observer states: Palestine and Vatican City.

And for the millionth time: Israel doesn’t occupy Gaza.

Good lord. Yes.

Though I’m seeing the logic expressed elsewhere that because Isreal has illegal settlements int he West Bank, it is somehow occupying Gaza and responsible for Hamas? People have no idea what they are talking about.

They say that because Israel has had Gaza under a blockade since 2005 and they severely restrict the movement of people and goods in and out of Gaza. It’s de facto occultation.

You’re being very disingenuous here.

Right, because Israel has the same relationship with Hamas that we have with Canada? Are we back at this again? Free trade with a terrorist group is not a thing. Sucks to be a terrorist organization.

Hamas /= Palestine

Hamas was elected and controls Gaza. Do you not know this?

The vote was over 15 years ago.

And they didn’t even get a majority of the votes back then! Since then they e been using intimidation, threat of physical violence, and fear to rule.

It’s sickening to me to hear Americans citing this election, which took place 17 years ago, to claim that the Palestinians deserve everything they’re getting now.

Oh sweetie: not everything is majoritarian. Gaza is run as a parliamentary system.

Similarly, Likud got 23% of the votes, but it was enough to translate into enough seats that they could form a coalition.

So? How do you excuse the fact that they haven’t had another election in 17 years???

Turns out your precious Hamas is actually a terrorist org. Awkward, I know.

Right…and therefore it can’t be claimed that the majority of Gazans voted them in and so deserve what they get now.

Are you dumb? That’s the point.

Israel wants to show the Palestinians their military are the biggest terrorist in the region.

Netanyahu has wanted an excuse to order a Palestinian genocide for ages and he finally has plausible deniability to kill indiscriminately, all the while hiding behind the American UN veto do he can’t be charged with war crimes.

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Also, these posts are talking about Jews, not specifically Israelis.

So all Jews are to be sent somewhere? Including my family?

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Deflection, deflection.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

We could argue all day and night about why the two state solution failed, but it was not a bad idea and there is blame to go around on both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:Rania, the Palestinian-born Queen of Jordan, speaks out:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/24/middleeast/queen-rania-jordan-amanpour-interview-intl/index.html

Hey Rania -- why not give the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians living in refugee camps in Jordan citizenship?

They are treated like second class citizens, without the full rights of other Jordanians.

Terrible.

Hey Bibi/Israel, why not give back Palestinian land you've stolen?

Oh, do you mean like Israel tried to do in 2000 with the two-state deal and 95% of 1967 borders? And financial reparations?

Let's discuss those brand new settlements in the West Bank......

Well time passed. The window closed. But let’s not pretend Israel has always had the same government it has today.