Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

This just doesn't seem that odd to me. She isn't Catholic and doens't go to a huge mass. She goes to services at a smaller protestant church, I think, and is very religious-- it doesn't surprise me that there would be a community of older women that expects to see each other online at services and gets concerned if they don't see the regular crew online and texting the daughter to check on her mom just seems very normal to me. But I agree that it's easily verifiable.

This. Older women who live alone create these safety nets for each other. My mom has a deal with her neighbors where they open the blinds on a certain window each day so they know they aren’t dead or in trouble. My mom also texts me and my brother each morning.

Yes, the church crew probably texts each other before logging on for services. Not at all unusual for older people.

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Or this was misconstrued by the media. Perhaps she attends virtually but is in touch with a friend or group before or after service. Either by phone/ft or in person for coffee or something, and that’s what she was missing from.

It would be incredibly stupid for the sister to say that’s how they found out if it wasn’t true. She would have to realize LE would need to know exactly who contacted her and would find out that she doesn’t attend in person at all. Also, cell phone records would prove it is not true.

I don’t think it was Annie, but perhaps someone close to them.

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What on earth, sorry to just state the obvious, but wouldn’t it be difficult to get an overweight 84 year-old into a septic tank?

Not if she was dismembered or acid was used to degrade the body. Terrible I know. Whoever did this needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

OK thank you sadly that makes more sense.

That makes more sense? On what planet?

It makes more sense that she would’ve been dismembered instead of them, throwing a fat 84-year-old into a small drywell.

Why do you keep posting she’s fat? 5’5" and 150 is not that big b

This woman will not be easily moved like a frail old lady:

Two Men can easily pick her up. Don’t underestimate a man’s strength.

She's closer to 190.

CNA’s pick up elders that size and bigger o a regular basis.
She’s also frail with weak bones and not lots of muscle tone. A 190 lb adolescent and a 190 lb senior citizen are two different scenarios. Your weight doesn’t necessarily indicate how heavy you are. It’s your bone density, muscle, along with fat and a bunch of other factors

Some Older people lose mass and weight as they age. It’s highly possible she’s smaller than when those pictures were taken—my grandmother is fairly healthy in her 90s but weighs less than she did in her 80s and 70s. It’s actually part of why people who are underweight don’t do as well when they age.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not think she is alive right now. 💔💔💔
It has been almost 8 days that she has been without her important meds and her pacemaker.
It would be impossible for her to go without these two things for eight days truthfully.

And I am pretty sure Savannah & her two siblings knew this when they posted their last video just a few days ago.
Savannah’s wording was vital in that she stated that she wants her Mother returned so that they could “celebrate.”

Key word is celebrate.
People usually use this term when discussing a promotion or a birthday - never when someone abducted is returned home.

The term celebrate is often used in context of looking back at one’s life after they are no longer alive.

In addition to the pacemaker weirdness, I think it’s very weird you think the word celebration doesn’t apply to people’s reactions when the are reunited with loved ones. I would 100% celebrate if my kidnapped loved one was returned to me alive.

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Or this was misconstrued by the media. Perhaps she attends virtually but is in touch with a friend or group before or after service. Either by phone/ft or in person for coffee or something, and that’s what she was missing from.

It would be incredibly stupid for the sister to say that’s how they found out if it wasn’t true. She would have to realize LE would need to know exactly who contacted her and would find out that she doesn’t attend in person at all. Also, cell phone records would prove it is not true.

I don’t think it was Annie, but perhaps someone close to them.

Right. They could have easily just said they made plans the night before to pick her up for brunch or something and showed up there, if they wanted to lie about why they went to check on her.

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Random question, but is there any chance (besides incompetence) that the police left the house so quickly, and they started putting out messages that she desperately needed her medication? Possibly hoping a perpetrator might return to the scene for it?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm over all this. Just let us know the outcome. Too much tv coverage and resources spent on this botched fiasco.


Right. Look at how long it took for them to arrest Brendan Banfield, even though everyone thought pretty quickly he had something to do with it.

Or how long they waited for Brian Kohlberger.

If they believe she is no longer alive, there's no real rush to find her vs. building a solid investigation that will take them through trial with 12 strangers agreeing on "guilty" in a world where people increasingly expect video documentation of the actual crime.













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Anonymous wrote:Random question, but is there any chance (besides incompetence) that the police left the house so quickly, and they started putting out messages that she desperately needed her medication? Possibly hoping a perpetrator might return to the scene for it?

This sounds incredibly stupid. I would think criminal masterminds would be able to procure medication if they needed it. But I doubt Nancy needs it anymore.

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If they believe she is no longer alive, there's no real rush to find her vs. building a solid investigation that will take them through trial with 12 strangers agreeing on "guilty" in a world where people increasingly expect video documentation of the actual crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Random question, but is there any chance (besides incompetence) that the police left the house so quickly, and they started putting out messages that she desperately needed her medication? Possibly hoping a perpetrator might return to the scene for it?

This sounds incredibly stupid. I would think criminal masterminds would be able to procure medication if they needed it. But I doubt Nancy needs it anymore.

Maybe whoever is behind this isn't a criminal mastermind though.

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Oof. I just realized that even though I've assumed the ransom notes are coming from an opportunistic third party, that anyone who was in the home that morning looking for her would also have observed the broken floodlight and placement of her watch.

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Anonymous wrote:Random question, but is there any chance (besides incompetence) that the police left the house so quickly, and they started putting out messages that she desperately needed her medication? Possibly hoping a perpetrator might return to the scene for it?

This sounds incredibly stupid. I would think criminal masterminds would be able to procure medication if they needed it. But I doubt Nancy needs it anymore.

Maybe whoever is behind this isn't a criminal mastermind though.

I’d say they’re not too shabby if they’ve gotten away with it for this long.

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

This just doesn't seem that odd to me. She isn't Catholic and doens't go to a huge mass. She goes to services at a smaller protestant church, I think, and is very religious-- it doesn't surprise me that there would be a community of older women that expects to see each other online at services and gets concerned if they don't see the regular crew online and texting the daughter to check on her mom just seems very normal to me. But I agree that it's easily verifiable.

This. Older women who live alone create these safety nets for each other. My mom has a deal with her neighbors where they open the blinds on a certain window each day so they know they aren’t dead or in trouble. My mom also texts me and my brother each morning.

Yes, the church crew probably texts each other before logging on for services. Not at all unusual for older people.

+1. These are old women. They have nothing better to do.

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

This just doesn't seem that odd to me. She isn't Catholic and doens't go to a huge mass. She goes to services at a smaller protestant church, I think, and is very religious-- it doesn't surprise me that there would be a community of older women that expects to see each other online at services and gets concerned if they don't see the regular crew online and texting the daughter to check on her mom just seems very normal to me. But I agree that it's easily verifiable.

This. Older women who live alone create these safety nets for each other. My mom has a deal with her neighbors where they open the blinds on a certain window each day so they know they aren’t dead or in trouble. My mom also texts me and my brother each morning.

Yes, the church crew probably texts each other before logging on for services. Not at all unusual for older people.

+1. These are old women. They have nothing better to do.

Why so condescending? Conversing with each other is something "better to do". It promotes socializing, a vital necessity as we age, and it promotes safety. When your circle notices you aren't texting as usual, they can have someone check on you. If they are in a church and did NOT text or talk to each other, that would be concerning that they are perhaps lonely or depressed.

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Anonymous wrote:So you’re saying someone randomly noticed that Nancy wasn’t online watching church and called her daughter to go check on her?

Np here, but sure that could happen. I’m sure someone monitors who is online and it would be very noticeable if someone wasn’t there.

I heard about a family who k ew something was wrong with an older relative because they had not posted in the Wordle group chat that day. Lots of older people have very consistent schedules.

I think her church said they aren't set-up to track online attendees. Sounds like the version they gave police isn't panning out

Right - they mentioned a church friend alerted them that Nancy didn’t attend. How did Nancy’s friend have Annie’s number? Which friend? Cell records are easily obtainable.

They messed up by using that as their reason

This just doesn't seem that odd to me. She isn't Catholic and doens't go to a huge mass. She goes to services at a smaller protestant church, I think, and is very religious-- it doesn't surprise me that there would be a community of older women that expects to see each other online at services and gets concerned if they don't see the regular crew online and texting the daughter to check on her mom just seems very normal to me. But I agree that it's easily verifiable.

This. Older women who live alone create these safety nets for each other. My mom has a deal with her neighbors where they open the blinds on a certain window each day so they know they aren’t dead or in trouble. My mom also texts me and my brother each morning.

Yes, the church crew probably texts each other before logging on for services. Not at all unusual for older people.

+1. These are old women. They have nothing better to do.

Why so condescending? Conversing with each other is something "better to do". It promotes socializing, a vital necessity as we age, and it promotes safety. When your circle notices you aren't texting as usual, they can have someone check on you. If they are in a church and did NOT text or talk to each other, that would be concerning that they are perhaps lonely or depressed.

Did the church ladies know Annie’s number? According to Annie and Tomasco, they were alerted to complete a wellness check after discovering from one of Nancy’s friends that Nancy did not attend for Sunday’s virtual service. This is all early verifiable. Cops have already determined whether someone from church called or texted Nancy asking for her whereabouts or if someone from church informed Annie.

I believe LE was already on to the family as suspects but was not disclosing that so Annie, Tomasco, and Savannah do not freak out. Remember, Savannah was staying with Annie at her home for this week. It must be awkward now. At this point, she must be aware something is going on if they were taking photos of their garage in the dark and impounding vehicles