Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

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Mic. Drop.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look. These are small-town cops who likely never in their wildest imaginations thought they’d be dealing with a school shooter.
Most of the crime in Uvalde is larceny and property crimes. Violent crime rate is below the national average and is mostly assaults.

They weren’t really prepared to be cops who would lay their lives on the line. So they didn’t.

When the far-reached theory suddenly became their reality, they all froze. Every one of them. Bc the theory of dying to save others may be ok, but the reality—not so much.

But yet they had and funded a SWAT team?!!!??

They also brought equipment they didn't use, including freaking ballistic shields to protect them if they encountered gunfire!

A Halligan bar — an ax-like forcible-entry tool used by firefighters to get through locked doors — was available. Ballistic shields were arriving on the scene. So was plenty of firepower, including at least two rifles.

To be fair, a lot of the blame seems to go to the police chief who kept holding the officers back. I guess it's like the military--LEOs have to obey orders even if you don't agree with them. At the same time, I can't believe that one--just one--LEO didn't say "Screw orders!" and go in to the classroom and try to do something.

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Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

[Anonymous]

Still waiting for that evidence the officer was checking sports scores. That seems to be a point of contention to some poster, so fire away with your evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

And any hope of saving some of them disappeared while the police stood around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

Really? How do you know? Because this article with a very detailed timeline bolstered by actual evidence show that the gunman was still shooting more than 10 minutes after his initial shots. He started shooting around 11:34am--"The gunman fired shots at least three more times — at 11:40 a.m., 11:44 a.m., and 12:21 p.m. — but officers held their positions. That was true even as more police filed in and four ballistic shields were carried into the building over the next 40 minutes.'"

Why was the gunman still shooting up to 45 minutes after his initial shots if everyone was already dead?

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

Really? How do you know? Because this article with a very detailed timeline bolstered by actual evidence show that the gunman was still shooting more than 10 minutes after his initial shots. He started shooting around 11:34am--"The gunman fired shots at least three more times — at 11:40 a.m., 11:44 a.m., and 12:21 p.m. — but officers held their positions. That was true even as more police filed in and four ballistic shields were carried into the building over the next 40 minutes.'"

Why was the gunman still shooting up to 45 minutes after his initial shots if everyone was already dead?

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/

How can dead kids be calling 911 from inside the classroom?

[Anonymous]

This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

Not all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look. These are small-town cops who likely never in their wildest imaginations thought they’d be dealing with a school shooter.
Most of the crime in Uvalde is larceny and property crimes. Violent crime rate is below the national average and is mostly assaults.

They weren’t really prepared to be cops who would lay their lives on the line. So they didn’t.

When the far-reached theory suddenly became their reality, they all froze. Every one of them. Bc the theory of dying to save others may be ok, but the reality—not so much.

But yet they had and funded a SWAT team?!!!??

And more than 40% of the town’s budget went to the police?

And why not let the parents at least try to save their kids, if the cops won't do it?! They won't even use millions of taxpayer dollars or demand we all kiss their rings

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

Really? How do you know? Because this article with a very detailed timeline bolstered by actual evidence show that the gunman was still shooting more than 10 minutes after his initial shots. He started shooting around 11:34am--"The gunman fired shots at least three more times — at 11:40 a.m., 11:44 a.m., and 12:21 p.m. — but officers held their positions. That was true even as more police filed in and four ballistic shields were carried into the building over the next 40 minutes.'"

Why was the gunman still shooting up to 45 minutes after his initial shots if everyone was already dead?

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/

How can dead kids be calling 911 from inside the classroom?

Kids were not the only ones calling. Eva Mirales, one of the two teachers that was killed called her husband--who was an officer and was on the scene--to tell him she was injured. Her husband was disarmed and prevented from going to help her.

According to McCraw, Mireles called her husband, officer Ruben Ruiz, from her classroom during the rampage. She allegedly told him that "she had been shot and was dying. And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway," McCraw testified. "He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

What did Trump say about that Sergeant again? “He knew what he signed up for.”