Top 10 Public Colleges in the US

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.

Nice assertion, but where is there any evidence of that?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.

Nice assertion, but where is there any evidence of that?

Talk to anyone who majored in stem field at Berkeley.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.

Nice assertion, but where is there any evidence of that?

Talk to anyone who majored in stem field at Berkeley.

And how would that prove that "Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics"?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.

Nice assertion, but where is there any evidence of that?

Talk to anyone who majored in stem field at Berkeley.

And how would that prove that "Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics"?

DP: I wouldn't say this. I went to a top biochem PhD program and another for my post-doc--so basically 10 years of graduate experience seeing, working in labs with and in the post-doc years teaching graduate students in biology, chemistry and biochemistry from different colleges--all the top publics and private universities plus a smattering of SLACs. Berkeley students seemed to be prepared the same as the rest of the many excellent students from the top public universities --not notably above or below the others from T20 publics. It's an excellent school like many others.

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^^This sort of sensible, humble, informed post has no place on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.

Nice assertion, but where is there any evidence of that?

Talk to anyone who majored in stem field at Berkeley.

And how would that prove that "Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics"?

DP: I wouldn't say this. I went to a top biochem PhD program and another for my post-doc--so basically 10 years of graduate experience seeing, working in labs with and in the post-doc years teaching graduate students in biology, chemistry and biochemistry from different colleges--all the top publics and private universities plus a smattering of SLACs. Berkeley students seemed to be prepared the same as the rest of the many excellent students from the top public universities --not notably above or below the others from T20 publics. It's an excellent school like many others.

If it is a top biochem PhD program, it means whoever they take in likely has to have cleared the same hurdle. Therefore, we probably shouldn't expect much difference. The more relevant data point would be the percentage of the students from those schools that clear the hurdle.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

What part of “minor” do you not understand?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

Minor ≠ major

MIT has a school of humanities.

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Top three public schools in this order:

Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA.

Hard to do a top ten since #10 would be no where close to #1

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

What part of “minor” do you not understand?

What part of BS and BS/MS do you not understand?