Top 10 Public Colleges in the US

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

What part of “minor” do you not understand?

What part of BS and BS/MS do you not understand?

DP: I don't see any humanities majors listed. The bolded are all applied social sciences or linking a humanities area with an applied field e.g.--even languages are bunched into modern languages and combined with the applied programs such as international relations. And literature is combined with digital media etc. Not that it's not a problem (I think a tech school SHOULD approach humanities this way), but they aren't humanities majors.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

Minor ≠ major

MIT has a school of humanities.

Read the list more carefully to see majors. MIT has a School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences - https://shass.mit.edu/ . Georgia Tech has a College of Arts - https://iac.gatech.edu/ . If you look at the programs within these, they are very, very similar. If you look at the percentage of students majors in these areas, they are also very similar, albeit very low compared to a school like Yale.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

Minor ≠ major

MIT has a school of humanities.

Read the list more carefully to see majors. MIT has a School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences - https://shass.mit.edu/ . Georgia Tech has a College of Arts - https://iac.gatech.edu/ . If you look at the programs within these, they are very, very similar. If you look at the percentage of students majors in these areas, they are also very similar, albeit very low compared to a school like Yale.

I still don't see any "straight" humanities majors without an applied connection in the list--what from above do you consider a humanities major? Of course tech schools have a school of humanities, arts and social sciences since they have minors and these composite applied majors and tech majors still want to take some humanities courses even if they don't minor in them, but I don't see traditional humanities majors such as English, History, Philosophy, Spanish, French, Latin, Classics, Art History etc. And their composite ones that have a bit of humanities each have an applied social science focus. Again, I don't see this as a problem--it's a designed feature of such tech schools--they are playing to their strengths.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

Minor ≠ major

MIT has a school of humanities.

Read the list more carefully to see majors. MIT has a School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences - https://shass.mit.edu/ . Georgia Tech has a College of Arts - https://iac.gatech.edu/ . If you look at the programs within these, they are very, very similar. If you look at the percentage of students majors in these areas, they are also very similar, albeit very low compared to a school like Yale.

I still don't see any "straight" humanities majors without an applied connection in the list--what from above do you consider a humanities major? Of course tech schools have a school of humanities, arts and social sciences since they have minors and these composite applied majors and tech majors still want to take some humanities courses even if they don't minor in them, but I don't see traditional humanities majors such as English, History, Philosophy, Spanish, French, Latin, Classics, Art History etc. And their composite ones that have a bit of humanities each have an applied social science focus. Again, I don't see this as a problem--it's a designed feature of such tech schools--they are playing to their strengths.

Exactly. Nothing wrong with a tech school, and Georgia Tech is awesome in its area of focus. But if you're making a list of the "best public colleges" I'm going to question any that are limited in the way a Georgia Tech is limited. If you can't get a pure history or literature degree (without it being linked to technology) then it's not really an institution you'd put on a general "best" list. Just like you'd scoff at the notion of a RISD being put on such a general list, because it's a niche school.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

Minor ≠ major

MIT has a school of humanities.

Read the list more carefully to see majors. MIT has a School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences - https://shass.mit.edu/ . Georgia Tech has a College of Arts - https://iac.gatech.edu/ . If you look at the programs within these, they are very, very similar. If you look at the percentage of students majors in these areas, they are also very similar, albeit very low compared to a school like Yale.

Here are MIT's humanities MAJORS, not linked to applied technology etc. :
Anthropology
Comparative Media Studies
Economics (Economics; Mathematical Economics; Computer Science, Economics, and Data Science)
Global Languages (French, German, Spanish)
History
Humanities (American Studies, Ancient and Medieval Studies, Asian and Asian Diaspora Studies, Latin American and Latino/a Studies, Russian and Eurasian Studies, Women's and Gender Studies)
Humanities and Engineering
Humanities and Science
Linguistics
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Political Science
Science, Technology, and Society
Theater Arts
Writing

You can get a Ph.D. at MIT in philosophy as well as art history (through the architecture school). So yes, it's a technology-oriented school. But it also has some excellent humanities offerings.

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Anonymous wrote:Top three public schools in this order:

Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA.

Hard to do a top ten since #10 would be no where close to #1

For undergraduate study I would argue there are as good or better options depending on what you want and want to do.

Berkeley would be tops overall across all the graduate programs it offers, but it notably does not have a medical school. At a graduate level, UVA can match these schools for law and business (and I would say it is better than UCLA in those fields), it is close in medicine, but probably not too many areas other than that. A school like UT Austin would be close to UCLA across graduate areas.

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Berkeley
Michigan
UCLA
UVA
UNC CH
UCSD
Wisconsin
Illinois
U Washington
College of W&M

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UNC is going to be moving down in the coming years.

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Actually UNC has been moving up. #33 among all schools in latest WSJ rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

Lets look at the original statement

There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

Minor ≠ major

MIT has a school of humanities.

Read the list more carefully to see majors. MIT has a School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences - https://shass.mit.edu/ . Georgia Tech has a College of Arts - https://iac.gatech.edu/ . If you look at the programs within these, they are very, very similar. If you look at the percentage of students majors in these areas, they are also very similar, albeit very low compared to a school like Yale.

Here are MIT's humanities MAJORS, not linked to applied technology etc. :
Anthropology
Comparative Media Studies
Economics (Economics; Mathematical Economics; Computer Science, Economics, and Data Science)
Global Languages (French, German, Spanish)
History
Humanities (American Studies, Ancient and Medieval Studies, Asian and Asian Diaspora Studies, Latin American and Latino/a Studies, Russian and Eurasian Studies, Women's and Gender Studies)
Humanities and Engineering
Humanities and Science
Linguistics
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Political Science
Science, Technology, and Society
Theater Arts
Writing

You can get a Ph.D. at MIT in philosophy as well as art history (through the architecture school). So yes, it's a technology-oriented school. But it also has some excellent humanities offerings.

Every single one of those MIT degree programs confers a Bachelor of Science degree. That suggests to me technology or science is always involved.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far.

Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.

+1 W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences. With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs, it's not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics. Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.

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There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.

W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything.

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.

Way to sneak Georgia Tech in there.

Georgia Tech does belong in that tier.

Georgia Tech has no humanities majors. It’s a niche school.

First, that is not true. See below. Second, there should be more than one path to being a top school (or else schools like MIT and Caltech can't be considered top schools, which is silly). Third, it is a school with a clear vision of what it is and its role.

African Studies (Minor)
Applied Language and Intercultural Studies (BS)
Chinese (Minor)
Computational Media & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Computational Media (BS)
East Asian Studies (Minor)
Economics (BS)
Economics (Minor)
Economics and International Affairs (BS)
Energy Systems (Minor)
European Studies (Minor)
Film and Media Studies (Minor)
French (Minor)
German (Minor)
Global Development (Minor)
Global Economics and Modern Languages (BS)
Health, Medicine, and Society (Minor)
History (Minor)
History, Technology, and Society (BS)
International Affairs (BS)
International Affairs (BS/MS)
International Affairs (Minor)
International Affairs and Modern Languages (BS)
International Business, Language, and Culture (Minor)
Japanese (Minor)
Korean (Minor)
Latin American and LatinX Studies (Minor)
Law, Science, and Technology – Pre-Law (Minor)
Leadership Studies (Minor)
Linguistics (Minor)
Literature, Media, and Communication & Digital Media (BS/MS)
Literature, Media, and Communication (BS)
Microeconomics of Strategic Analysis (Minor)
Middle Eastern and North African Studies (Minor)
Naval Science (Minor)
Performance Studies (Minor)
Philosophy (Minor)
Political Science (Minor)
Public Policy (BS)
Public Policy (BS/MS)
Public Policy (Minor)
Russian (Minor)
Science Fiction Studies (Minor)
Science, Technology, and Society (Minor)
Social Justice (Minor)
Sociology (Minor)
Spanish (Minor)
Sports, Society, and Technology (Minor)
Women, Science, and Technology (Minor)

Minor ≠ major

MIT has a school of humanities.

Read the list more carefully to see majors. MIT has a School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences - https://shass.mit.edu/ . Georgia Tech has a College of Arts - https://iac.gatech.edu/ . If you look at the programs within these, they are very, very similar. If you look at the percentage of students majors in these areas, they are also very similar, albeit very low compared to a school like Yale.

Here are MIT's humanities MAJORS, not linked to applied technology etc. :
Anthropology
Comparative Media Studies
Economics (Economics; Mathematical Economics; Computer Science, Economics, and Data Science)
Global Languages (French, German, Spanish)
History
Humanities (American Studies, Ancient and Medieval Studies, Asian and Asian Diaspora Studies, Latin American and Latino/a Studies, Russian and Eurasian Studies, Women's and Gender Studies)
Humanities and Engineering
Humanities and Science
Linguistics
Literature
Music
Philosophy
Political Science
Science, Technology, and Society
Theater Arts
Writing

You can get a Ph.D. at MIT in philosophy as well as art history (through the architecture school). So yes, it's a technology-oriented school. But it also has some excellent humanities offerings.

Every single one of those MIT degree programs confers a Bachelor of Science degree. That suggests to me technology or science is always involved.

Yes, the BS is interesting. But when you drill down it looks like it the humanities majors can be done in a full traditional way. For instance, philosophy has the usual core philosophy courses plus the option to take some some more STEM philosophy electives (e.g., philosophy and quantum mechanics). Likewise, literature and theater arts looks fairly traditional too. It's really different when you drill down into Georgia Tech's majors that are closest to the humanities--they are far more applied/tech-y.

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UF is a great school.

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Anonymous wrote:UF is a great school.

I agree, but I wouldn't say top ten.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley
Michigan
UCLA
UVA
UNC CH
UCSD
Wisconsin
Illinois
U Washington
College of W&M

If you are an undergraduate, though, you should probably consider how much the school is committed to undergraduate education and experience. If you re-rank these schools by Niche undergraduate alumni ratings of "did I get my money's worth?", it looks like this:

College of W&M
UNC CH
Michigan
Wisconsin
UVA
Illinois
UCLA
UCSD
Berkeley
U Washington

Public universities have limited resources, so even for a school like Berkeley, it is difficult to be great at everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Berkeley
Michigan
UCLA
UVA
UNC CH
UCSD
Wisconsin
Illinois
U Washington
College of W&M

If you are an undergraduate, though, you should probably consider how much the school is committed to undergraduate education and experience. If you re-rank these schools by Niche undergraduate alumni ratings of "did I get my money's worth?", it looks like this:

College of W&M
UNC CH
Michigan
Wisconsin
UVA
Illinois
UCLA
UCSD
Berkeley
U Washington

Public universities have limited resources, so even for a school like Berkeley, it is difficult to be great at everything.

Michigan has over a 12 billion dollar endowment, plus state funding. It is not lacking for resources. Michigan is considered great at just about everything they offer academically. Among privates; only Stanford and perhaps MIT, Princeton, and Cornell can say that.