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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is no question that for [i]the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences[/i], the College of William and Mary offers the most rigorous, highest quality education of any public university in the country.  [/quote]
Perhaps for liberal arts, but definitely not for natural sciences or even social sciences. Berkeley, UNC, and Michigan outdo's the Virginia publics by far. [/quote]

[b]Liberal arts includes natural sciences and social sciences.[/b][/quote]

+1  W&M has top-notch undergraduate teaching in liberal arts and sciences.  With only 6000 undergrads and a tiny handful of grad programs,  it's  not going to compare with top-tier research 1 universities in terms of research productivity etc., but there's no public school like it for quality of undergrad academics.  Each year, we regularly employ 20-30 interns/recent grads from many different colleges (in the region and throughout the US) and W&M students--in the social and natural sciences-- are reliably among the very strongest--especially in research/data analysis/writing. I'm angling for my kids to apply there.
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Lets look at the original statement

[quote]There is no question that for the undergraduate student of the liberal arts and sciences, the College of William and Mary offers the [b]most rigorous[/b], highest quality education of any public university in the country.
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W&M is not more rigorous than Berkeley. Top students at Berkeley can take classes that don't even exist at W&M.

Higher quality? You could argue that, due to smaller classes and more accessible professors. Or you could argue against that, considering the professors at Berkeley are Nobel laureates and world-renowned, and the professors at W&M are very much not that and are under-paid if anything. [/quote]

Oh lord that one Berkeley booster is back…you’re public school isn’t that special, UMich, UCLA, UVA, and Georgia Tech are all in its tier. Sorry that you have to realize that not everyone thinks Berkeley is the greatest things since canned bread.[/quote]
Clearly you didn't attend any of the ones you listed considering you can't spell "your".

[b]And for undergraduate STEM, Berkeley is in a different level of difficulty to the other publics.[/b]

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Nice assertion, but where is there any evidence of that?[/quote]

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