Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Early on McMillan said he was foaming at the mouth, which usually happens when someone is already dying.

A couple times Floyd moved while Chauvin was on him-he was still able to move.

Didn't he say that about after Floyd was on the ground and Chavin was on top of him?

One of the cops told Floyd he was foaming at the mouth while he was walking with handcuffs on. Floyd responded he'd been hooping earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:George Floyd was killed by Derek Chauvin kneeling on his neck for over 9 minutes. The bystanders knew it. The paramedics knew it. The fire captain knew it. The cops knew it.

And the cops' complete disregard for George's life is demonstrated by the fact that they were still restraining him even though he was clearly unconscious and not breathing. Derek Chauvin stayed on top of George EVEN AFTER THE PARAMEDIC FOUND NO PULSE. He had his knee on the neck of a dead man and they had to tell him to get off of George so they put him in the ambulance.

He was killed and it is on video.

[Anonymous]

What is your guess, will it be 2nd or 3rd degree murder and what might be his minimum sentence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is your guess, will it be 2nd or 3rd degree murder and what might be his minimum sentence?

This is the link to the applicable MN sentencing guidelines grid: https://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Guidelines/2019/StandardGrid.pdf

Second degree unintentional and 3rd degree murder are a severity level 10. Chauvin’s criminal history score is presumably a 0 since I don’t know of any past convictions.

How to read the grid: https://mn.gov/sentencing-guidelines/guidelines/about/

If Chauvin is convicted, the state plans to file a motion for a Blakely hearing to ask for an upward departure, with one factor being minors were present and probably why the children were called to the stand. I’m not familiar with how much the upward departure would be.

There are some current questions about 3rd degree murder in this case that could be an issue on appeal, which is why the charge was dropped and then re-added last minute. A former MPD officer (Mohamed Noor) was convicted of 3rd degree murder in 2019, and the appeals process affected Chauvin’s case.

[Anonymous]

He should serve life in prison but my guess is he will serve 20 years

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is your guess, will it be 2nd or 3rd degree murder and what might be his minimum sentence?

This is the link to the applicable MN sentencing guidelines grid: https://mn.gov/msgc-stat/documents/Guidelines/2019/StandardGrid.pdf

Second degree unintentional and 3rd degree murder are a severity level 10. Chauvin’s criminal history score is presumably a 0 since I don’t know of any past convictions.

How to read the grid: https://mn.gov/sentencing-guidelines/guidelines/about/

If Chauvin is convicted, the state plans to file a motion for a Blakely hearing to ask for an upward departure, with one factor being minors were present and probably why the children were called to the stand. I’m not familiar with how much the upward departure would be.

There are some current questions about 3rd degree murder in this case that could be an issue on appeal, which is why the charge was dropped and then re-added last minute. A former MPD officer (Mohamed Noor) was convicted of 3rd degree murder in 2019, and the appeals process affected Chauvin’s case.

Thank you for sharing this!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is your guess, will it be 2nd or 3rd degree murder and what might be his minimum sentence?

I do not think he will be convicted. I am Black and have gotten my hopes up too many times.

[Anonymous]

The defense is trying to say that since the EMT/paramedics were already called, along with the feeling of an unsafe surrounding crowd, are the reasons that no duty of care was performed on Mr. Floyd. They also tried to establish that the policeman who rode in the ambulance and was performing CPR was removed and replaced with the other paramedic because he was not a trained EMT. The paramedic shot that defense down saying anyone can perform CPR and that the police should have started it before their arrival.

My question is that since Mr. Floyd was is in dire condition when they arrived, why didn’t they just start performing CPR right then in the ambulance instead of moving to a different location.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

Strong agree. Let's say someone could agree that Chauvin had a basis to put his knee on Floyd's neck in the first place (I don't, but let's say someone could). That gets you to minute one. What about minute two? Minute three? Minute four?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The defense is trying to say that since the EMT/paramedics were already called, along with the feeling of an unsafe surrounding crowd, are the reasons that no duty of care was performed on Mr. Floyd. They also tried to establish that the policeman who rode in the ambulance and was performing CPR was removed and replaced with the other paramedic because he was not a trained EMT. The paramedic shot that defense down saying anyone can perform CPR and that the police should have started it before their arrival.

My question is that since Mr. Floyd was is in dire condition when they arrived, why didn’t they just start performing CPR right then in the ambulance instead of moving to a different location.

You answered that in your first sentence, "the feeling of an unsafe surrounding crowd"

[Anonymous]

^that will go into the defense column.The fact that they didn’t perform care immediately, that he clearly needed, and instead chose to move to another location, taking away precious life-saving minutes, confirms that it was an unruly environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

Np here.

No better than Chauvin? Really? Assuming the Pp hasn’t murdered anyone... I think they might be a little better of a person.

Do you also think it’s bullying to make fun of Hitlers mustache?