Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

I’m actually not the person who mocked him for being short; I just think the idea that someone “cannot attack Chauvin’s character” is bizarre. He murdered a person; his character is on the record and it’s not good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The defense is trying to say that since the EMT/paramedics were already called, along with the feeling of an unsafe surrounding crowd, are the reasons that no duty of care was performed on Mr. Floyd. They also tried to establish that the policeman who rode in the ambulance and was performing CPR was removed and replaced with the other paramedic because he was not a trained EMT. The paramedic shot that defense down saying anyone can perform CPR and that the police should have started it before their arrival.

My question is that since Mr. Floyd was is in dire condition when they arrived, why didn’t they just start performing CPR right then in the ambulance instead of moving to a different location.

You answered that in your first sentence, "the feeling of an unsafe surrounding crowd"

Not a feeling, its on video.

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

I’m actually not the person who mocked him for being short; I just think the idea that someone “cannot attack Chauvin’s character” is bizarre. He murdered a person; his character is on the record and it’s not good.

Exactly! The pp who mocked him for being short is a bully! There are plenty of reasons to criticize Chauvin, and she/he chose to criticize him for being of average height. Not for his wrong choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

Np here.

No better than Chauvin? Really? Assuming the Pp hasn’t murdered anyone... I think they might be a little better of a person.

Do you also think it’s bullying to make fun of Hitlers mustache?

Do you think people can choose how tall they grow, in the same way they can choose if/how they shave?

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No, but I think that a murderer’s appearance is pretty much fair game. *shrug*

If I was a murderer, I’m sure they would crack some jokes about my appearance... and I’d deserve it... you know, as a murderer and all.

[Anonymous]

Lt. Zimmerman testifying right now is a major blow to the defense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mpls jury found it easy to convict the Somali-American rookie who killed the white lady who rapped on the squad car when they were investigating a reported rape in progress.

That was completely different. She was unarmed, obviously a lot less powerful than even the unarmed male officers, had committed no crime (in her life!), and was outside the vehicle. The officers were called out for a rape, so they knew to expect to see a woman in distress. What they saw was a woman in distress, and yet that officer shot her without hesitation. Over his partner from within the vehicle.

The Floyd case is very different. Floyd had high doses of hard narcotics in his system which can be fatal by itself, he had a deadly respiratory virus that has been killing hundreds of thousands of Americans, and he was a known criminal who was obviously strong enough to easily physically overpower Chauvin.

I don't think Chauvin seems like a particularly nice person, but I don't think he intended to kill Floyd that day. And if it wasn't for all the drugs and covid, which Chauvin couldn't have known about, then I'm not convinced that Floyd would have died.

Chauvin was a bit rough, but cops dealing with these types of criminals need to be. Polite language doesn't work, and they're trained not to use their weapons if they don't need to. He was probably showing off a bit for the crowd, but he also knew there were a lot of witnesses and that it was being recorded. He might be guilty of something but I don't believe he should go away for the death itself.

I strongly disagree. The police officer had a history of being rough with suspects. He used a choke technique that was completely uncalled for, and especially for that length of time. Objectively, he knew doing it for that long would potentially kill someone, and it did. Whether or not he was in a daze of a power trip or reflexively acted against the wishes of everyone around him, does not matter - as others have stated, he should have been master of the situation, controlled his punitive and contrarian urges, and he wasn't and didn't. He is absolutely guilty of second degree murder, the worst charge brought against him.

If the defendant has done this before and didn’t kill anyone then it increases the chances that people will see this as an accident. Especially since Floyd was obviously the biggest/strongest person he’s ever needed to arrest.

That's bullshit. Chauvin worked off-duty in clubs, so he has dealt with drunken brawny men before. Floyd was 6'3, he's not that big. Chauvis 5'9. So if he could not do his job without killing someone because he is such a shorty- twerp ass, he should have found another line of work.

Nice. You can't attack his character, so you have to attack his physical attributes? That's very low.

Eh. I’m comfortable attacking his character also.

But you didn't. You chose to attack his physical appearance, which actually isn't even that short--5'9" is average height for males in the US. There are many GREAT men out there that are that height or shorter.
You are a bully, no better than Chauvin.

Np here.

No better than Chauvin? Really? Assuming the Pp hasn’t murdered anyone... I think they might be a little better of a person.

Do you also think it’s bullying to make fun of Hitlers mustache?

Do you think people can choose how tall they grow, in the same way they can choose if/how they shave?

Yes, I think he starved himself as a teen to intentionally stunt his growth. Isn’t that what most teen boys do?

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What should Chauvin have done? Should he have tasered Floyd? Shot him in the foot or leg? Maybe have an additional officer sit on him, but sit on the back and legs while restraining his arms? If Floyd was high and uncontrollable and larger, stronger and overpowering the officers, what should have been done? Murder is never the answer but how would a better officer deal with this?

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There should be a stricter height, weight and physical fitness requirement to become a cop. Similar to a marine.

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Anonymous wrote:What should Chauvin have done? Should he have tasered Floyd? Shot him in the foot or leg? Maybe have an additional officer sit on him, but sit on the back and legs while restraining his arms? If Floyd was high and uncontrollable and larger, stronger and overpowering the officers, what should have been done? Murder is never the answer but how would a better officer deal with this?

A literal police officer is currently on the stand WHILE YOU ARE WRITING THIS saying Chauvin's use of force was "totally unnecessary" when taking into account the facts, the department policies, and their training. On what basis do you dispute this expert testimony?

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Anonymous wrote:What should Chauvin have done? Should he have tasered Floyd? Shot him in the foot or leg? Maybe have an additional officer sit on him, but sit on the back and legs while restraining his arms? If Floyd was high and uncontrollable and larger, stronger and overpowering the officers, what should have been done? Murder is never the answer but how would a better officer deal with this?

He was handcuffed and laying on his stomach. At that point, whatever threat level the officers felt was greatly reduced. A lieutenant is on the stand right now and he testified that the use of force (knee on the neck) was unnecessary.

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Lt. Zimmerman also testified:

"Once a person is cuffed you need to turn them on their side or have them sit up, you need to get them off their chest.” -Lt. Richard Zimmerman

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Anonymous wrote:What should Chauvin have done? Should he have tasered Floyd? Shot him in the foot or leg? Maybe have an additional officer sit on him, but sit on the back and legs while restraining his arms? If Floyd was high and uncontrollable and larger, stronger and overpowering the officers, what should have been done? Murder is never the answer but how would a better officer deal with this?

A literal police officer is currently on the stand WHILE YOU ARE WRITING THIS saying Chauvin's use of force was "totally unnecessary" when taking into account the facts, the department policies, and their training. On what basis do you dispute this expert testimony?

Explain specifically what should have been done to restrain a potentially combative person who is much larger and stronger? How would a responsible officer do this alone?

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What do you all think of the defense attorney - how is he doing?

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Anonymous wrote:What should Chauvin have done? Should he have tasered Floyd? Shot him in the foot or leg? Maybe have an additional officer sit on him, but sit on the back and legs while restraining his arms? If Floyd was high and uncontrollable and larger, stronger and overpowering the officers, what should have been done? Murder is never the answer but how would a better officer deal with this?

He was handcuffed and laying on his stomach. At that point, whatever threat level the officers felt was greatly reduced. A lieutenant is on the stand right now and he testified that the use of force (knee on the neck) was unnecessary.

They probably should cuff the ankles as well in certain cases.