Teachers Not Wanting to Go Back in Person

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If a teacher is vaccinated (and let's just assume the other adults in their household are too), what is the argument for not coming back to teach in person?

It's generally one of these:
1. "think of the poor unvaccinated children!"
2. the vaccines are not 100% effective
3. I have anxiety about managing post-covid classrooms (I wish this was a joke but there's a blogger who quit her DCPS job because the school wouldn't accommodate her anxiety about having to make sure kids stay 6-feet-apart. That's after vaccination.)

There are other reasons why schools can't fully reopen that don't have to do with teacher vaccinations; here it's to do with cohorting and the 6-foot distancing rules.

You mean 3 ft.

It's only 3 feet it the school district says so. And thus far they haven't. (Which is annoying, but they also have more conservative rules than CDC on some other covid-prevention measures.) Also, if they measure desk-to-desk, the 3 foot rule means you STILL can't get all kids into classrooms here.

I moved two desks so that they meet the 3’ guidance to see what kt would look like. It left 10.5” between the desks. I could get my entire class of 23 in at 3’.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is he skipping class? Shouldn't he log on each day from the child care center?

I'm sorry, you must not be familiar with a daycare center. It's a place with many children, lower paid workers who are unvaccinated and without unions. They cannot juggle logging kids into DL on their many different platforms and schedules all day long so that a vaccinated teacher can be safe in their home. It's the reality of it all.

You sound jealous. :/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband and I are feds who have been working in person in our crowded, old offices with rats and windows that don't work and people who aren't wearing masks (not just former Trump administration but career civil servants) since March. My husband received a recall notice. I did not but as a supervisor was told to be in person or my entire team would have to come in including a 70 year old cancer survivor, a mom whose baby is in the NICU from being born premature, a colleague with sickle cell anemia and another colleague who has COPD.

My husband was told no exceptions. Not health, not child care, not virtual learning. So I have very little patience for teachers who think they are special and unique. My husband and I are not special. We are not different. We know that as civil servants, we work even when we don't get paid. I have worked in hurricanes, at the border, lived in a tent, had no running water. All in the US. My husband has been traveling this entire time on behalf of the government.

We had to get child care for our school age boys. We had to get a tutor and a babysitter because there is only after care at a different site location and our kids are only two days a week.

My opinion of people who want to work from home as a profession that is in person has really caused me to not like some people. I understand people with a health issue, but guess what? Until this month I was not vaccinated. My agency didn't bother registering us. My husband got his vaccinations in February. After almost a year of being in crowded places in public (he works in law enforcement).

If we did not return to work, we were fired. We are not bargaining unit employees. Without jobs, our kids don't have a home, food or anything else. We can't afford to live in DC. I am sick of people telling me I have a "cush government job". Come live out of a tent in an area plagued by poverty, disease, homelessness and social unrest.

I have two boys, 7 and 5. Imagine being away from your kids for several months for your job because you are deployed. No I am not military. My husband and I both have been away from our sons for months during the pandemic. Protecting you. And we don't think we are heroes, special or unique. We are doing a job we are committed to doing and believe in because we are public servants. Public service is a public trust. We signed up for this, even in a global pandemic.

I am so sad that you chose that life for you and your family. So dreadful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is he skipping class? Shouldn't he log on each day from the child care center?

I'm sorry, you must not be familiar with a daycare center. It's a place with many children, lower paid workers who are unvaccinated and without unions. They cannot juggle logging kids into DL on their many different platforms and schedules all day long so that a vaccinated teacher can be safe in their home. It's the reality of it all.

Why did you send him there? You should have just unenrolled him from school. If my child is enrolled in school and who I pay to take care of him cannot log him into Zoom and open some tabs for other websites, I will find childcare that can make that happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is he skipping class? Shouldn't he log on each day from the child care center?

I'm sorry, you must not be familiar with a daycare center. It's a place with many children, lower paid workers who are unvaccinated and without unions. They cannot juggle logging kids into DL on their many different platforms and schedules all day long so that a vaccinated teacher can be safe in their home. It's the reality of it all.

Why did you send him there? You should have just unenrolled him from school. If my child is enrolled in school and who I pay to take care of him cannot log him into Zoom and open some tabs for other websites, I will find childcare that can make that happen.

+1. But that would take *effort.*

[Anonymous]

These threads are never actually about teachers. Teachers are the proxies in the Mommy Wars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a teacher is vaccinated (and let's just assume the other adults in their household are too), what is the argument for not coming back to teach in person?

It's generally one of these:
1. "think of the poor unvaccinated children!"
2. the vaccines are not 100% effective
3. I have anxiety about managing post-covid classrooms (I wish this was a joke but there's a blogger who quit her DCPS job because the school wouldn't accommodate her anxiety about having to make sure kids stay 6-feet-apart. That's after vaccination.)

There are other reasons why schools can't fully reopen that don't have to do with teacher vaccinations; here it's to do with cohorting and the 6-foot distancing rules.

You mean 3 ft.

It's only 3 feet it the school district says so. And thus far they haven't. (Which is annoying, but they also have more conservative rules than CDC on some other covid-prevention measures.) Also, if they measure desk-to-desk, the 3 foot rule means you STILL can't get all kids into classrooms here.

I moved two desks so that they meet the 3’ guidance to see what kt would look like. It left 10.5” between the desks. I could get my entire class of 23 in at 3’.

I mean, that’s great. We have a couple of principals here stating that their large public ES can’t fit everyone with the 3-foot distancing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is he skipping class? Shouldn't he log on each day from the child care center?

I'm sorry, you must not be familiar with a daycare center. It's a place with many children, lower paid workers who are unvaccinated and without unions. They cannot juggle logging kids into DL on their many different platforms and schedules all day long so that a vaccinated teacher can be safe in their home. It's the reality of it all.

Why did you send him there? You should have just unenrolled him from school. If my child is enrolled in school and who I pay to take care of him cannot log him into Zoom and open some tabs for other websites, I will find childcare that can make that happen.

+1. But that would take *effort.*

Way to support public servants, you moldy cucumber. Your contribution to society is likely zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is he skipping class? Shouldn't he log on each day from the child care center?

I'm sorry, you must not be familiar with a daycare center. It's a place with many children, lower paid workers who are unvaccinated and without unions. They cannot juggle logging kids into DL on their many different platforms and schedules all day long so that a vaccinated teacher can be safe in their home. It's the reality of it all.

Why did you send him there? You should have just unenrolled him from school. If my child is enrolled in school and who I pay to take care of him cannot log him into Zoom and open some tabs for other websites, I will find childcare that can make that happen.

+1. But that would take *effort.*

No, it would take MONEY. Do you not realize that many people utilize daycare over nannies due to cost concerns? Many kids are in group childcare now because their parents cannot afford 50k in childcare costs for a full time person to be in the home. And there is no group childcare that was designed to accommodate 6 year olds logging on and off zoom at different times all day.

But I assume you are working from home in your well paid job, so none of this is a concern for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Construction is different as you are in a persons home or building and separated. Much easier to keep safe than with 30+ students to a room. You sound entitled. Hire a nanny.

Construction workers are not in people’s homes, and they can’t pay for nannies.

If you can’t do, teach.

Construction workers work in large spaces with adults, often outside. Teachers work in enclosed petri dishes with kids who won't cooperate and admin who won't allow them to be made to cooperate. Google "prolonged indoor exposure + COVID" and maybe then you'll understand the difference between construction work and teaching in a pandemic. Thanks ever so.

If you went to school 20-30 years ago, it doesn't mean you know jack about the profession of teaching, including that idiotic backwards bumper sticker slogan you just dropped. How embarrassing for you.

Princess, that is not what a construction site is like at all. Workers put on hardhats and masks that fall off while they work in close contact. The work they do is not distanced. It's clear that you are too sheltered to have ever seen a construction site. How embarrassing for you.

Oh, so you're a sexist, too. What a shocker.

Well, sweetie-kins, teachers can work remotely and construction workers cannot. Their employers set the terms of their employment, not mobs of torchwaving parents.

If you don't like it, feel free to sign up to become a teacher. Problem solved!

Can we just drop the argument that elementary teachers can do their jobs remotely? If doing your job remotely requires 20-25 other adults to constantly monitor and assist the children who are supposed to be under your care, you are not able to do your job remotely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Construction is different as you are in a persons home or building and separated. Much easier to keep safe than with 30+ students to a room. You sound entitled. Hire a nanny.

Construction workers are not in people’s homes, and they can’t pay for nannies.

If you can’t do, teach.

Construction workers work in large spaces with adults, often outside. Teachers work in enclosed petri dishes with kids who won't cooperate and admin who won't allow them to be made to cooperate. Google "prolonged indoor exposure + COVID" and maybe then you'll understand the difference between construction work and teaching in a pandemic. Thanks ever so.

If you went to school 20-30 years ago, it doesn't mean you know jack about the profession of teaching, including that idiotic backwards bumper sticker slogan you just dropped. How embarrassing for you.

Princess, that is not what a construction site is like at all. Workers put on hardhats and masks that fall off while they work in close contact. The work they do is not distanced. It's clear that you are too sheltered to have ever seen a construction site. How embarrassing for you.

Oh, so you're a sexist, too. What a shocker.

Well, sweetie-kins, teachers can work remotely and construction workers cannot. Their employers set the terms of their employment, not mobs of torchwaving parents.

If you don't like it, feel free to sign up to become a teacher. Problem solved!

Can we just drop the argument that elementary teachers can do their jobs remotely? If doing your job remotely requires 20-25 other adults to constantly monitor and assist the children who are supposed to be under your care, you are not able to do your job remotely.

Haha seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is he skipping class? Shouldn't he log on each day from the child care center?

I'm sorry, you must not be familiar with a daycare center. It's a place with many children, lower paid workers who are unvaccinated and without unions. They cannot juggle logging kids into DL on their many different platforms and schedules all day long so that a vaccinated teacher can be safe in their home. It's the reality of it all.

You sound jealous. :/

And PP is the attitude of some teachers, folks. Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband and I are feds who have been working in person in our crowded, old offices with rats and windows that don't work and people who aren't wearing masks (not just former Trump administration but career civil servants) since March. My husband received a recall notice. I did not but as a supervisor was told to be in person or my entire team would have to come in including a 70 year old cancer survivor, a mom whose baby is in the NICU from being born premature, a colleague with sickle cell anemia and another colleague who has COPD.

My husband was told no exceptions. Not health, not child care, not virtual learning. So I have very little patience for teachers who think they are special and unique. My husband and I are not special. We are not different. We know that as civil servants, we work even when we don't get paid. I have worked in hurricanes, at the border, lived in a tent, had no running water. All in the US. My husband has been traveling this entire time on behalf of the government.

We had to get child care for our school age boys. We had to get a tutor and a babysitter because there is only after care at a different site location and our kids are only two days a week.

My opinion of people who want to work from home as a profession that is in person has really caused me to not like some people. I understand people with a health issue, but guess what? Until this month I was not vaccinated. My agency didn't bother registering us. My husband got his vaccinations in February. After almost a year of being in crowded places in public (he works in law enforcement).

If we did not return to work, we were fired. We are not bargaining unit employees. Without jobs, our kids don't have a home, food or anything else. We can't afford to live in DC. I am sick of people telling me I have a "cush government job". Come live out of a tent in an area plagued by poverty, disease, homelessness and social unrest.

I have two boys, 7 and 5. Imagine being away from your kids for several months for your job because you are deployed. No I am not military. My husband and I both have been away from our sons for months during the pandemic. Protecting you. And we don't think we are heroes, special or unique. We are doing a job we are committed to doing and believe in because we are public servants. Public service is a public trust. We signed up for this, even in a global pandemic.

I am so sad that you chose that life for you and your family. So dreadful.

What a surprise. The sanctimommy.

Trust that you can never, ever tell the truth of your life on DCUM without someone telling you you’re a bad parent.

It’s not just DCUM. I’ve heard teachers say that I should have had an abortion because my DC never had a nanny. And I’m white.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Construction is different as you are in a persons home or building and separated. Much easier to keep safe than with 30+ students to a room. You sound entitled. Hire a nanny.

Construction workers are not in people’s homes, and they can’t pay for nannies.

If you can’t do, teach.

Construction workers work in large spaces with adults, often outside. Teachers work in enclosed petri dishes with kids who won't cooperate and admin who won't allow them to be made to cooperate. Google "prolonged indoor exposure + COVID" and maybe then you'll understand the difference between construction work and teaching in a pandemic. Thanks ever so.

If you went to school 20-30 years ago, it doesn't mean you know jack about the profession of teaching, including that idiotic backwards bumper sticker slogan you just dropped. How embarrassing for you.

Princess, that is not what a construction site is like at all. Workers put on hardhats and masks that fall off while they work in close contact. The work they do is not distanced. It's clear that you are too sheltered to have ever seen a construction site. How embarrassing for you.

Oh, so you're a sexist, too. What a shocker.

Well, sweetie-kins, teachers can work remotely and construction workers cannot. Their employers set the terms of their employment, not mobs of torchwaving parents.

If you don't like it, feel free to sign up to become a teacher. Problem solved!

Then you’d be living in a leaking hole in the ground. Or maybe mommy dearest will repair your roof. I’d pay to watch that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Can we just drop the argument that elementary teachers can do their jobs remotely? If doing your job remotely requires 20-25 other adults to constantly monitor and assist the children who are supposed to be under your care, you are not able to do your job remotely.

Seriously.