Overrated schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any student that gets into Caltech would easily get into Harvard/Yale engineering. To argue otherwise is idiotic.

Cmon that is also stupid. Don’t fight stupid with more stupid.

This is a stupid thread, but the pp is correct. Harvard and Yale ENG specifically is not only overrated, it shouldn’t be on any list at all. They are desperately building up their STEM and throwing wads at CS, but they are nowhere near Caltech or Princeton, Cornell, or even Columbia.

[Anonymous]

Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

+1

CalTech is 40%+ Asians based on merit. No legacies, sports, URMs, donations.
Harvard already saId 40% Asians at Harvard is a pipe dream under its “holistic” critera.
Keep on dreamin’ trolls.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

And this is where your immense ignorance is apparent.

Many kids who get into Caltech are rejected by HYP. Look it up. Or ask some.

No one is an auto-admit into HYP. No one. Your statement is false just as if you said “every kid who gets accepted to Harvard would be auto-admit at Yale”. Not how it works. You are wrong wrong wrong.

[Anonymous]

Oh and as for the scattergrams being irrelevant — yes, they are, when you want to hide the data that directly refutes your stupid claim.

Other than that, though, they are highly relevant.

[Anonymous]

Washington University

Sister in law graduated from there never finished all her courses let her walk at graduation and three years later gave her an unearned degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

Pure BS.

Your job as a parent is to learn to be critical. You need to learn to read between the lines when you read their promo fliers and junk emails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

PP wrote this cuz s/he or kids never went to an Ivy League SEAS or CalTech. One thing about going there or sending your kid(s) there is that you never have to needlessly place any Ivy League or CalTech on a pedestal. PP’s rambling reads more like a CalTech application essay on why s/he dreams of attending CalTech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

PP wrote this cuz s/he or kids never went to an Ivy League SEAS or CalTech. One thing about going there or sending your kid(s) there is that you never have to needlessly place any Ivy League or CalTech on a pedestal. PP’s rambling reads more like a CalTech application essay on why s/he dreams of attending CalTech.

I am the person most defensive of Caltech. I did not go to Caltech (the t is lowercase in the name). I did not go to Ivy's. I went to schools my parents could afford and graduated debt free undergrad. For grad school, I went to the school with the advisor I wanted to work with. (I was accepted at Caltech, but they assigned me to someone I did not want to work with).

The thing about Caltech, unlike the Ivy's, is you can not buy your way into Caltech. If you are admitted, it is on merit (same thing with MIT). If a student not qualified were admitted, they would certainly flunk out. Unlike the Ivy's, Caltech and MIT do not inflate grades. It is a true Meritocracy -- something that is great if you are good. Harvard is looking for the future leaders...Caltech is looking for the smartest minds. A real life Sheldon Cooper would not fit in at Harvard, Yale, Brown, Princeton, etc. He would do fine at Caltech (or MIT).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Washington University

Sister in law graduated from there never finished all her courses let her walk at graduation and three years later gave her an unearned degree.

Princeton allowed someone to do that at least once.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

PP wrote this cuz s/he or kids never went to an Ivy League SEAS or CalTech. One thing about going there or sending your kid(s) there is that you never have to needlessly place any Ivy League or CalTech on a pedestal. PP’s rambling reads more like a CalTech application essay on why s/he dreams of attending CalTech.

I am the person most defensive of Caltech. I did not go to Caltech (the t is lowercase in the name). I did not go to Ivy's. I went to schools my parents could afford and graduated debt free undergrad. For grad school, I went to the school with the advisor I wanted to work with. (I was accepted at Caltech, but they assigned me to someone I did not want to work with).

The thing about Caltech, unlike the Ivy's, is you can not buy your way into Caltech. If you are admitted, it is on merit (same thing with MIT). If a student not qualified were admitted, they would certainly flunk out. Unlike the Ivy's, Caltech and MIT do not inflate grades. It is a true Meritocracy -- something that is great if you are good. Harvard is looking for the future leaders...Caltech is looking for the smartest minds. A real life Sheldon Cooper would not fit in at Harvard, Yale, Brown, Princeton, etc. He would do fine at Caltech (or MIT).

Sheldon Cooper?

SHELDON COOPER?

You are now invoking fictional sitcom characters in your argument.

Epic fail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

PP wrote this cuz s/he or kids never went to an Ivy League SEAS or CalTech. One thing about going there or sending your kid(s) there is that you never have to needlessly place any Ivy League or CalTech on a pedestal. PP’s rambling reads more like a CalTech application essay on why s/he dreams of attending CalTech.

I am the person most defensive of Caltech. I did not go to Caltech (the t is lowercase in the name). I did not go to Ivy's. I went to schools my parents could afford and graduated debt free undergrad. For grad school, I went to the school with the advisor I wanted to work with. (I was accepted at Caltech, but they assigned me to someone I did not want to work with).

The thing about Caltech, unlike the Ivy's, is you can not buy your way into Caltech. If you are admitted, it is on merit (same thing with MIT). If a student not qualified were admitted, they would certainly flunk out. Unlike the Ivy's, Caltech and MIT do not inflate grades. It is a true Meritocracy -- something that is great if you are good. Harvard is looking for the future leaders...Caltech is looking for the smartest minds. A real life Sheldon Cooper would not fit in at Harvard, Yale, Brown, Princeton, etc. He would do fine at Caltech (or MIT).

Caltech has fewer than 1000 undergrads, much smaller than most local high schools. It is too tiny to compare with larger research universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

And this is where your immense ignorance is apparent.

Many kids who get into Caltech are rejected by HYP. Look it up. Or ask some.

No one is an auto-admit into HYP. No one. Your statement is false just as if you said “every kid who gets accepted to Harvard would be auto-admit at Yale”. Not how it works. You are wrong wrong wrong.

Again, your individual high school or county's Naviance scattergrams are entirely and utterly irrelevant.

Many students that get into Caltech may be rejected from Harvard and Yale if they are humanities or social sciences. Again, since it looks like you heavily lack basic reading comprehension, I have been talking about engineering students at Caltech vs. engineering admissions to Harvard/Yale engineering schools. Both Harvard and Yale heavily consider selected majors and the EC's of the applicant. For those with engineering major, they heavily look at scores and engineering EC's over soft EC's like leadership or voluntourism which matters for soft majors.

A student that selects engineering major and has the scores and engineering EC's to get into Caltech will get into Harvard and Yale