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Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

Pure BS.

Your job as a parent is to learn to be critical. You need to learn to read between the lines when you read their promo fliers and junk emails.

No, my job is to relay information I know to idiots on the web, clearly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

PP wrote this cuz s/he or kids never went to an Ivy League SEAS or CalTech. One thing about going there or sending your kid(s) there is that you never have to needlessly place any Ivy League or CalTech on a pedestal. PP’s rambling reads more like a CalTech application essay on why s/he dreams of attending CalTech.

Ugh it was bad enough to compare Caltech engineering to Harvad/Yale engineering, now you are going to compare it to Brown, Dartmouth engineering?

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No, my job is to relay information I know to idiots on the web, clearly.

Hey where do you get your cape cleaned? My guy can never get the cheetos stains off it and mom says she's finished doing my wash.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

And this is where your immense ignorance is apparent.

Many kids who get into Caltech are rejected by HYP. Look it up. Or ask some.

No one is an auto-admit into HYP. No one. Your statement is false just as if you said “every kid who gets accepted to Harvard would be auto-admit at Yale”. Not how it works. You are wrong wrong wrong.

Again, your individual high school or county's Naviance scattergrams are entirely and utterly irrelevant.

Many students that get into Caltech may be rejected from Harvard and Yale if they are humanities or social sciences. Again, since it looks like you heavily lack basic reading comprehension, I have been talking about engineering students at Caltech vs. engineering admissions to Harvard/Yale engineering schools. Both Harvard and Yale heavily consider selected majors and the EC's of the applicant. For those with engineering major, they heavily look at scores and engineering EC's over soft EC's like leadership or voluntourism which matters for soft majors.

A student that selects engineering major and has the scores and engineering EC's to get into Caltech will get into Harvard and Yale

Nah you're trolling. No one is this stupid.

"THE DATA IS IRRELEVANT! AND I DON'T NEED DATA TO SUPPORT MY CLAIM! WHAT I SAY GOES". Lol you dopey bastard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

And this is where your immense ignorance is apparent.

Many kids who get into Caltech are rejected by HYP. Look it up. Or ask some.

No one is an auto-admit into HYP. No one. Your statement is false just as if you said “every kid who gets accepted to Harvard would be auto-admit at Yale”. Not how it works. You are wrong wrong wrong.

Again, your individual high school or county's Naviance scattergrams are entirely and utterly irrelevant.

Many students that get into Caltech may be rejected from Harvard and Yale if they are humanities or social sciences. Again, since it looks like you heavily lack basic reading comprehension, I have been talking about engineering students at Caltech vs. engineering admissions to Harvard/Yale engineering schools. Both Harvard and Yale heavily consider selected majors and the EC's of the applicant. For those with engineering major, they heavily look at scores and engineering EC's over soft EC's like leadership or voluntourism which matters for soft majors.

A student that selects engineering major and has the scores and engineering EC's to get into Caltech will get into Harvard and Yale

Thanks for the laugh, you dopey clown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

And this is where your immense ignorance is apparent.

Many kids who get into Caltech are rejected by HYP. Look it up. Or ask some.

No one is an auto-admit into HYP. No one. Your statement is false just as if you said “every kid who gets accepted to Harvard would be auto-admit at Yale”. Not how it works. You are wrong wrong wrong.

Again, your individual high school or county's Naviance scattergrams are entirely and utterly irrelevant.

Many students that get into Caltech may be rejected from Harvard and Yale if they are humanities or social sciences. Again, since it looks like you heavily lack basic reading comprehension, I have been talking about engineering students at Caltech vs. engineering admissions to Harvard/Yale engineering schools. Both Harvard and Yale heavily consider selected majors and the EC's of the applicant. For those with engineering major, they heavily look at scores and engineering EC's over soft EC's like leadership or voluntourism which matters for soft majors.

A student that selects engineering major and has the scores and engineering EC's to get into Caltech will get into Harvard and Yale

Thanks for the laugh, you dopey clown.

It is probably hyperbole....particularly since Caltech is only going to look for STEM excellence, whereas Harvard and Yale are more holistic. But, the typical Caltech student will have a better academic resume than the typical engineering student at those schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Submitted too soon: so yes any Caltech kid would have been accepted to Harvard or Yale stem because they are desperate for that level of talent.

No, that is completely untrue, and you have no evidence of it.

Note I am not saying their engineering programs are as strong as caltech's. I dispute that any kid accepted there is an auto accept to HYP. No one is, not even a presidential child (although that is close).

It's a stupid statement not borne out by facts and disproved by a quick look at a top HS naviance scattergrams. Please stop.

I don't think you understand how admissions works. Any POTUS's child who applies to Harvard/Yale while president would be an auto-admit. Those are the type of kids that make up the bottom 25% of the class at Harvard.

Your individual HS naviance scattergrams are irrelevant.

Harvard and Yale engineering both look at prospective majors. They are both desperately trying to improve their schools of engineering.
Top engineering students - meaning the best of the best, not just great - with interest in engineering will always pick MIT/Caltech over Harvard/Yale. Ergo Harvard/Yale would accept them.

They could easily get into Harvard/Yale if it was based on scores as Caltech has higher scores across the board, but on top of that these top engineering students have extremely strong EC's based on engineering/math/sciences in order to get into Caltech, and that's a shoe-in for Harvard/Yale engineering because they want more top engineering students.

Caltech's acceptance rate is 7% - same as Yale's - despite being a heavily engineering school that not many people know about and having a heavily self-selected applicant pool.
The reality is if every Joe's kid didn't apply to especially Harvard or Yale as a "shooting for the stars" or shooting for Ivies, their acceptance rate would be far higher than Caltech's.

So yes based on scores and EC's any student that's accepted into Caltech would be accepted into Harvard/Yale engineering.

And this is where your immense ignorance is apparent.

Many kids who get into Caltech are rejected by HYP. Look it up. Or ask some.

No one is an auto-admit into HYP. No one. Your statement is false just as if you said “every kid who gets accepted to Harvard would be auto-admit at Yale”. Not how it works. You are wrong wrong wrong.

Again, your individual high school or county's Naviance scattergrams are entirely and utterly irrelevant.

Many students that get into Caltech may be rejected from Harvard and Yale if they are humanities or social sciences. Again, since it looks like you heavily lack basic reading comprehension, I have been talking about engineering students at Caltech vs. engineering admissions to Harvard/Yale engineering schools. Both Harvard and Yale heavily consider selected majors and the EC's of the applicant. For those with engineering major, they heavily look at scores and engineering EC's over soft EC's like leadership or voluntourism which matters for soft majors.

A student that selects engineering major and has the scores and engineering EC's to get into Caltech will get into Harvard and Yale

Thanks for the laugh, you dopey clown.

It is probably hyperbole....particularly since Caltech is only going to look for STEM excellence, whereas Harvard and Yale are more holistic. But, the typical Caltech student will have a better academic resume than the typical engineering student at those schools.

Academic resume under holistic evaluation is much broadly defined. I know at some ivy sceas, students go in with no intention of working in the engineering field. They branch out to business, finance, law, arts, music, or whatever. Their passion is not in engineering. They may never have tinkered with traditional engineering stuff in their life. They tinker with ideas of how to use engineering concepts in fields in which a Sheldon Cooper never imagined. A Sheldon Cooper who never kissed a girl in his life doesn’t have what it takes to get into an ivy. He just doesn’t doesn’t have “it,” whatever that is.

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Nah you're trolling. No one is this stupid.

"THE DATA IS IRRELEVANT! AND I DON'T NEED DATA TO SUPPORT MY CLAIM! WHAT I SAY GOES". Lol you dopey bastard.

The data for your specific school and county is irrelevant, idiot. If you don't understand how 1 datapoint - your school/county - is irrelevant to the whole country, you shouldn't even be thinking about engineering let alone arguing about Caltech/Ivy engineering.

[Anonymous]

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It is probably hyperbole....particularly since Caltech is only going to look for STEM excellence, whereas Harvard and Yale are more holistic. But, the typical Caltech student will have a better academic resume than the typical engineering student at those schools.

Academic resume under holistic evaluation is much broadly defined. I know at some ivy sceas, students go in with no intention of working in the engineering field. They branch out to business, finance, law, arts, music, or whatever. Their passion is not in engineering. They may never have tinkered with traditional engineering stuff in their life. They tinker with ideas of how to use engineering concepts in fields in which a Sheldon Cooper never imagined. A Sheldon Cooper who never kissed a girl in his life doesn’t have what it takes to get into an ivy. He just doesn’t doesn’t have “it,” whatever that is.

Caltech admissions, by all accounts, is holistic in that they care about extracurriculars, particular engineering-focused extracurriculars.

Ivy holistic admissions, on the other hand, means legacy, politically-influential admissions, donor admissions, along with some sprinkling of leadership-focused extracurriculars.

However, something that people don't seem to understand, again, is that to get into Caltech you need scores + engineering-heavy extracurriculars.
Such students would easily get into any Ivy engineering based solely on their scores and engineering extracurriculars.

[Anonymous]

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Nah you're trolling. No one is this stupid.

"THE DATA IS IRRELEVANT! AND I DON'T NEED DATA TO SUPPORT MY CLAIM! WHAT I SAY GOES". Lol you dopey bastard.

The data for your specific school and county is irrelevant, idiot. If you don't understand how 1 datapoint - your school/county - is irrelevant to the whole country, you shouldn't even be thinking about engineering let alone arguing about Caltech/Ivy engineering.

Not my school. Not my datapoints.

ANY SCHOOL. ANY DATAPOINT.

Lol, keep digging.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/84i0ac/rejected_from_7_ivys_to_accepted_to_caltech_and/

One datapoint here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It is probably hyperbole....particularly since Caltech is only going to look for STEM excellence, whereas Harvard and Yale are more holistic. But, the typical Caltech student will have a better academic resume than the typical engineering student at those schools.

Academic resume under holistic evaluation is much broadly defined. I know at some ivy sceas, students go in with no intention of working in the engineering field. They branch out to business, finance, law, arts, music, or whatever. Their passion is not in engineering. They may never have tinkered with traditional engineering stuff in their life. They tinker with ideas of how to use engineering concepts in fields in which a Sheldon Cooper never imagined. A Sheldon Cooper who never kissed a girl in his life doesn’t have what it takes to get into an ivy. He just doesn’t doesn’t have “it,” whatever that is.

Caltech admissions, by all accounts, is holistic in that they care about extracurriculars, particular engineering-focused extracurriculars.

Ivy holistic admissions, on the other hand, means legacy, politically-influential admissions, donor admissions, along with some sprinkling of leadership-focused extracurriculars.

However, something that people don't seem to understand, again, is that to get into Caltech you need scores + engineering-heavy extracurriculars.
Such students would easily get into any Ivy engineering based solely on their scores and engineering extracurriculars.

Let’s try this way Dopey.

If CalTech rejects someone who goes on to win a Nobel, CalTech will be soul searching, possibly discussing defunding the school. If HYPS did the same, they’ll be bragging they reject even Nobel winners. It’s a different process. Some schools are more about who they admit. Ivys are less about who they admit and more about who they keep out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It is probably hyperbole....particularly since Caltech is only going to look for STEM excellence, whereas Harvard and Yale are more holistic. But, the typical Caltech student will have a better academic resume than the typical engineering student at those schools.

Academic resume under holistic evaluation is much broadly defined. I know at some ivy sceas, students go in with no intention of working in the engineering field. They branch out to business, finance, law, arts, music, or whatever. Their passion is not in engineering. They may never have tinkered with traditional engineering stuff in their life. They tinker with ideas of how to use engineering concepts in fields in which a Sheldon Cooper never imagined. A Sheldon Cooper who never kissed a girl in his life doesn’t have what it takes to get into an ivy. He just doesn’t doesn’t have “it,” whatever that is.

Caltech admissions, by all accounts, is holistic in that they care about extracurriculars, particular engineering-focused extracurriculars.

Ivy holistic admissions, on the other hand, means legacy, politically-influential admissions, donor admissions, along with some sprinkling of leadership-focused extracurriculars.

However, something that people don't seem to understand, again, is that to get into Caltech you need scores + engineering-heavy extracurriculars.
Such students would easily get into any Ivy engineering based solely on their scores and engineering extracurriculars.

Then tell us wise Dopey, why isn’t Harvard 40%+ Asian like some of these tech schools? Surely you must know.

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Let’s try this way Dopey.

If CalTech rejects someone who goes on to win a Nobel, CalTech will be soul searching, possibly discussing defunding the school. If HYPS did the same, they’ll be bragging they reject even Nobel winners. It’s a different process. Some schools are more about who they admit. Ivys are less about who they admit and more about who they keep out.

You are typing a bunch of words, followed by punctuation, which I guess technically makes them "sentences"....

However, none of what you type supports your claim that any engineering student accepted to Caltech would automatically be accepted to Harvard or Yale.

[Anonymous]

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Nah you're trolling. No one is this stupid.

"THE DATA IS IRRELEVANT! AND I DON'T NEED DATA TO SUPPORT MY CLAIM! WHAT I SAY GOES". Lol you dopey bastard.

The data for your specific school and county is irrelevant, idiot. If you don't understand how 1 datapoint - your school/county - is irrelevant to the whole country, you shouldn't even be thinking about engineering let alone arguing about Caltech/Ivy engineering.

Not my school. Not my datapoints.

ANY SCHOOL. ANY DATAPOINT.

Lol, keep digging.

You don't have access to scattergrams for the whole country, idiot.