Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Some transgender men do. It's really not a tough concept for most people. Not sure why you're having trouble with it.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

Just because you identify as male doesn't defeat biology. I'm not anti-trans or transphobic, but some things are just common sense. They are not male nor will they ever be. You can learn to pee standing up, wear gender nonconforming clothing, and take hormones to grow facial hair. You will still be not much more than a hairy female with a deep voice and a period.

Liar.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

Just because you identify as male doesn't defeat biology. I'm not anti-trans or transphobic, but some things are just common sense. They are not male nor will they ever be. You can learn to pee standing up, wear gender nonconforming clothing, and take hormones to grow facial hair. You will still be not much more than a hairy female with a deep voice and a period.

Liar.

Calm down Lisa. I'm not transphobic. But if labeling someone who believes in basic biology makes you feel better about yourself, then have at it.

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Things like this make it seem like we're trying to make gender defining terms a faux pas. I do not want to get to the point to where talking about the female experience is seen as insensitive.

Many people have different definitions, but I have never met a woman for whom coming to grips with and dealing with their reproductive system and what it means for them in their life in some way or another is not a formative part of their development.

Say what you want to say. That's under your control. People will react however they react - that's not under your control. If you believe that the reproductive system is the defining characteristic of women, and we have to somehow refer to the female reproductive system every time we talk about being a woman, then say those things. Nobody is stopping you.

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Just because you identify as male doesn't defeat biology. I'm not anti-trans or transphobic, but some things are just common sense. They are not male nor will they ever be. You can learn to pee standing up, wear gender nonconforming clothing, and take hormones to grow facial hair. You will still be not much more than a hairy female with a deep voice and a period.

Anybody who can (a) stand and (b) pee can do that. Here's how.

1. Stand
2. Pee

That's it! That's all it takes. It's really very simple.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

Just because you identify as male doesn't defeat biology. I'm not anti-trans or transphobic, but some things are just common sense. They are not male nor will they ever be. You can learn to pee standing up, wear gender nonconforming clothing, and take hormones to grow facial hair. You will still be not much more than a hairy female with a deep voice and a period.

Liar.

Calm down Lisa. I'm not transphobic. But if labeling someone who believes in basic biology makes you feel better about yourself, then have at it.

I'm pretty comfortable with that label for you. More so with each of your posts.

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Things like this make it seem like we're trying to make gender defining terms a faux pas. I do not want to get to the point to where talking about the female experience is seen as insensitive.

Many people have different definitions, but I have never met a woman for whom coming to grips with and dealing with their reproductive system and what it means for them in their life in some way or another is not a formative part of their development.

Say what you want to say. That's under your control. People will react however they react - that's not under your control. If you believe that the reproductive system is the defining characteristic of women, and we have to somehow refer to the female reproductive system every time we talk about being a woman, then say those things. Nobody is stopping you.

Of course they aren't. So I'll keep saying what I think. And you can keep reacting how you react. I'm not the poster calling you Lisa BTW.

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Things like this make it seem like we're trying to make gender defining terms a faux pas. I do not want to get to the point to where talking about the female experience is seen as insensitive.

Many people have different definitions, but I have never met a woman for whom coming to grips with and dealing with their reproductive system and what it means for them in their life in some way or another is not a formative part of their development.

Say what you want to say. That's under your control. People will react however they react - that's not under your control. If you believe that the reproductive system is the defining characteristic of women, and we have to somehow refer to the female reproductive system every time we talk about being a woman, then say those things. Nobody is stopping you.

Of course they aren't. So I'll keep saying what I think. And you can keep reacting how you react. I'm not the poster calling you Lisa BTW.

You are conflating posters.

-PP called "Lisa"

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if our great grandparents could all come back down to Earth.
They would be very confused.

Why because we all look down at our phones instead of engaging in conversation.

Yes, if only life could go back to what it was when our grandparents were the 40somethings of the day, when we had segregated pools and drinking fountains.

THOSE WERE THE DAYS...

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Anonymous wrote:Is it still o.k. to say "feminine hygiene product" or is that a no no now, too?

You can say it all you want, but it used to be a silly euphemism for "menstrual products," and it still is a silly euphemism.

+1

I want them to call them what they are. Also, I'd like them to use a red liquid, not a blue one, in commercials. I don't bleed blue.

Yes, and add realistic clots and mucus, too.

My MIL will faint!

[Anonymous]

People are so angry about women transitioning to men... it’s so odd.

And it’s basic biology

[Anonymous]

These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

I don't really care about how anyone identifies their gender. I DO care about prosecuting language violations, so that we can't talk about "pregnant women" or acknowledge that menstrual products are for women, or even talk about "women's rights" with respect to reproductive rights. Guess what buttercup - you don't have the right to be an extreme minority (man that menstruates or woman who never had female reproductive organs) and demand that all language be reorganized for you. And I also think that this tendency to bend backwards for trans inclusiveness absolutely silents women's rights. I've been called out before on social media for simply referring to "moms" as a class, making standard mom complaints (all the pressure to cook, dads not pulling their weight) ... NOT because it was unfair to men, but because there may be some trans men who are actually in the position of "moms" (unequal division of household labor) who don't want to be called moms because that's gender non-inclusive. Or something like that. On a freakin mommy blog!

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Anonymous wrote:People are so angry about women transitioning to men... it’s so odd.

And it’s basic biology

I don't care if you transition. I don't even care what bathroom you use. I do care if you transition and then demand that nothing ever be labeled male or female again in a way that does not conform to your personal journey.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

I don't really care about how anyone identifies their gender. I DO care about prosecuting language violations, so that we can't talk about "pregnant women" or acknowledge that menstrual products are for women, or even talk about "women's rights" with respect to reproductive rights. Guess what buttercup - you don't have the right to be an extreme minority (man that menstruates or woman who never had female reproductive organs) and demand that all language be reorganized for you. And I also think that this tendency to bend backwards for trans inclusiveness absolutely silents women's rights. I've been called out before on social media for simply referring to "moms" as a class, making standard mom complaints (all the pressure to cook, dads not pulling their weight) ... NOT because it was unfair to men, but because there may be some trans men who are actually in the position of "moms" (unequal division of household labor) who don't want to be called moms because that's gender non-inclusive. Or something like that. On a freakin mommy blog!

I'm a PP and I'm really starting to see your point. Well stated IMO.