Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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Anonymous wrote:As a woman, why should I care? If it makes them feel more included, awesome.

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It's not anti-trans to bring up those points, although I agree that it's oddly placed in terms of complaining about transwomen on a thread about transmen. This forum discusses appropriations on all sorts of levels, and I think there is now a movement afoot on the potential misappropriation of the female experience. That's not anti-trans in terms of being not okay with the fact that trans people exist. It's an interesting take on the cultural appropriation of females by transwomen. I can see that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does it affect you in any way? No.

No need to be hateful, judgmental a-holes.

Op here. I’m not being hateful or judgmental.

I’m just curious if people think this is going too far.

Watch the Maher segment. I’m liberal, and I thought he was nuts. The panel thought he was nuts. They said something like this would never happen. Prager must have seen this news and the rest hadn’t (the article predates the segment). Curious what Maher and Ronan think now.

Full disclosure: I didn’t even know always used the Venus symbol, and I’ve used them for decades. Couldn’t care less if they ditch it.

I'm not trans but I can't imagine getting all up in arms over the Venus symbol being on sanitary pads. But as a cis woman, I also can't imagine getting up in arms about it not being on sanitary pads. Jeez, I've been post menopausal for maybe a decade so I'm having a hard time remembering what I used when I menstruated but I have absolutely no memory of looking for a Venus symbol or ever giving a flying frack about it. Seriously, folks, there are much more important things we have to worry about than whether a Venus symbol is on a package.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine if our great grandparents could all come back down to Earth.
They would be very confused.

I can imagine seeing a mass-produced sanitary napkin for the first time would be confusing.

Especially for great-grandpa!

Great-grandpa wasn’t even in the room when great-grandma gave birth. This generation is crazy!

[Anonymous]

You have a lot of time on your hands. No it’s not going too far. Yes, you have malice behind this question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care how a company chooses to market its products.

I think the demand to remove the symbol and the caving in to it is stupid, though.

And this is the real conversation we should have.

Anyone care to discuss this?

Sure. It’s a company that is trying to sell a product. If they determine that the symbol may deter sales, they do what they think the consumer wants. No more than that. I am a female, and could not care less about a symbol on the package. My preference is less packaging over more and that is what I look at when I determine products

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

You can’t change your sex. They are female.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

They do. But it is their female anatomy that allows this.

This process, menstruation, female puberty, coming to terms with your reproductive system, coming to terms with the way society wants to control and manage your reproductive system, all of this is fundamental to the female experience.

It is difficult for me to understand the desire to erase the distinction that transgender people feel so strongly about that they make such large lifestyle changes to address. A trans man does not feel like a woman, he identifies as a man. Why would he also want to erase the language that describes the difference between what he once was and what he is today?

Transgender people (and the LGBTQ community in general) have created an entire language to identify themselves, to talk about themselves and to advocate for themselves. All I believe is that women should be able to retain the language that we use to identify ourselves and discuss our experience and to advocate for themselves.

[Anonymous]

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They do. But it is their female anatomy that allows this.

This process, menstruation, female puberty, coming to terms with your reproductive system, coming to terms with the way society wants to control and manage your reproductive system, all of this is fundamental to the female experience.

It is difficult for me to understand the desire to erase the distinction that transgender people feel so strongly about that they make such large lifestyle changes to address. A trans man does not feel like a woman, he identifies as a man. Why would he also want to erase the language that describes the difference between what he once was and what he is today?

Transgender people (and the LGBTQ community in general) have created an entire language to identify themselves, to talk about themselves and to advocate for themselves. All I believe is that women should be able to retain the language that we use to identify ourselves and discuss our experience and to advocate for themselves.

You may use whatever words you want to use. Nobody is stopping you.

You may also define "the female experience" however you want to. But it's wise to keep in mind that other people may have different definitions.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

They do. But it is their female anatomy that allows this.

This process, menstruation, female puberty, coming to terms with your reproductive system, coming to terms with the way society wants to control and manage your reproductive system, all of this is fundamental to the female experience.

It is difficult for me to understand the desire to erase the distinction that transgender people feel so strongly about that they make such large lifestyle changes to address. A trans man does not feel like a woman, he identifies as a man. Why would he also want to erase the language that describes the difference between what he once was and what he is today?

Transgender people (and the LGBTQ community in general) have created an entire language to identify themselves, to talk about themselves and to advocate for themselves. All I believe is that women should be able to retain the language that we use to identify ourselves and discuss our experience and to advocate for themselves.

A number of us have already told you that we don't care about a Venus symbol on packaging and we don't feel like we can't discuss our experience without it. I'm happy to talk all day about being a woman and what it means to me and the last thing on my mind is whether a Venus symbol is in the general vicinity or not. Sorry, pp, but you need to relax a little.

[Anonymous]

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They do. But it is their female anatomy that allows this.

This process, menstruation, female puberty, coming to terms with your reproductive system, coming to terms with the way society wants to control and manage your reproductive system, all of this is fundamental to the female experience.

It is difficult for me to understand the desire to erase the distinction that transgender people feel so strongly about that they make such large lifestyle changes to address. A trans man does not feel like a woman, he identifies as a man. Why would he also want to erase the language that describes the difference between what he once was and what he is today?

Transgender people (and the LGBTQ community in general) have created an entire language to identify themselves, to talk about themselves and to advocate for themselves. All I believe is that women should be able to retain the language that we use to identify ourselves and discuss our experience and to advocate for themselves.

You may use whatever words you want to use. Nobody is stopping you.

You may also define "the female experience" however you want to. But it's wise to keep in mind that other people may have different definitions.

Things like this make it seem like we're trying to make gender defining terms a faux pas. I do not want to get to the point to where talking about the female experience is seen as insensitive.

Many people have different definitions, but I have never met a woman for whom coming to grips with and dealing with their reproductive system and what it means for them in their life in some way or another is not a formative part of their development.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

They do. But it is their female anatomy that allows this.

This process, menstruation, female puberty, coming to terms with your reproductive system, coming to terms with the way society wants to control and manage your reproductive system, all of this is fundamental to the female experience.

It is difficult for me to understand the desire to erase the distinction that transgender people feel so strongly about that they make such large lifestyle changes to address. A trans man does not feel like a woman, he identifies as a man. Why would he also want to erase the language that describes the difference between what he once was and what he is today?

Transgender people (and the LGBTQ community in general) have created an entire language to identify themselves, to talk about themselves and to advocate for themselves. All I believe is that women should be able to retain the language that we use to identify ourselves and discuss our experience and to advocate for themselves.

A number of us have already told you that we don't care about a Venus symbol on packaging and we don't feel like we can't discuss our experience without it. I'm happy to talk all day about being a woman and what it means to me and the last thing on my mind is whether a Venus symbol is in the general vicinity or not. Sorry, pp, but you need to relax a little.

The venus symbol doesn't really bother me either. Just a stupid marketing ploy. I also haven't been commenting until the last page or so. I'm not OP or almost any of the PPs.

I'm not saying this is some huge deal in and of itself. Just saying I object to sanitizing language about menstrual cycles of gendered terms. That is really what the conversation is. A single period product company's decision doesn't matter at all, its whether this is a trend and what that means.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

Just because you identify as male doesn't defeat biology. I'm not anti-trans or transphobic, but some things are just common sense. They are not male nor will they ever be. You can learn to pee standing up, wear gender nonconforming clothing, and take hormones to grow facial hair. You will still be not much more than a hairy female with a deep voice and a period.