DOJ argues that migrant children should not receive toothbrushes or soap

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Anonymous wrote:So that is about 375 million, for this one facility, per year. And how many do we need?

That's anyone's guess!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NPR actually went to one of these camps.

No free mints:

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/694138106/inside-the-largest-and-most-controversial-shelter-for-migrant-children-in-the-u-

Based on what I've read, this place is super strict, which makes the kids squirm. When you house kids from different countries, you have to be careful. They're teens . . .

Unfortunately, this is a for profit, but it's better run and as a result, much costlier. $775 a day per child (ages 13-17)

Isn't that what you all want? better facilities that are efficient?

If so, then as we welcome more and more kids (This facility costs about $1.2m a day.), be ready to pay a for-profit agency to house them, feed and clothe them, educate them and process them.

NO. Send them to their families and we pay nothing! These kids are not supposed to be in detention this long. They have families willing to take them.

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I don’t trust any of these for profit contract detention people.

It is disgusting that our government is bringing in people to torture kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*Insert obligatory comparison between border control and the holocaust #4738290* here

I've got one. The migrant children are given electronic toys. What type of toys did the Nazis give the Jewish children before they marched them into the gas chamber?

What electronic toys? Child advocate Lawyers had to come in to a facility before the government workers would take four sick toddlers, one completely non-responsive to the hospital. America is capable of treating children better.

https://thehill.com/latino/449829-four-migrant-toddlers-one-completely-unresponsive-hospitalized-after-lawyers-tour-of

Simply disgraceful. Toddlers in internment camps. Anne Frank is rolling over in her grave.

[Anonymous]

Can we talk numbers? What percent of our national budget would people like to see spent on processing these visitors? I hear a lot of critique of private agencies being hired, so presumably the people criticizing would like to see border patrol expanded to include in house social workers, doctors and more overall staff. Plus facilities. Plus supplies. How much of our national budget should we apply to an expanded, massive border patrol cum visitor reception service? Bearing in mind that this is processing people who will be released and then enter the court systems.

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Our current budget is about 4.5 trillion. Of that half goes just tonscoial security and defense. Defense isnt only "buying expensive bombs" as liberals like to shriek. It is also veteran services, presence around the world to maintain stability (think south korea) and keeping sea passage open for trade (think Iran and pirates) so that all world economies (including ours can function. It's also based in people home states that employ people and pour money into the economy.
Anyhow- after that the other half is remaining. Being mindful that we bring in about a trillion less in taxes than we are projected to spend- and a massive deficit on which we are paying interest. So we are basically living on borrowed money that our kids will need to "pay back".. how much of that should we dedicate yearly to hosting border visitors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*Insert obligatory comparison between border control and the holocaust #4738290* here

I've got one. The migrant children are given electronic toys. What type of toys did the Nazis give the Jewish children before they marched them into the gas chamber?

What electronic toys? Child advocate Lawyers had to come in to a facility before the government workers would take four sick toddlers, one completely non-responsive to the hospital. America is capable of treating children better.

https://thehill.com/latino/449829-four-migrant-toddlers-one-completely-unresponsive-hospitalized-after-lawyers-tour-of

Simply disgraceful. Toddlers in internment camps. Anne Frank is rolling over in her grave.

Why are they coming to the border so sick? If I remember correctly, Nazis took healthy, often wealthy thriving Jews, stole from them, then placed them in camps where the lucky ones were gassed immediately. The others were starved, worked to the bone, forced to torture other, etc.

Are you suggesting that our government is taking thriving families, thriving children out of their comfortable homes in their home countries and forcing them into border camps?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our current budget is about 4.5 trillion. Of that half goes just tonscoial security and defense. Defense isnt only "buying expensive bombs" as liberals like to shriek. It is also veteran services, presence around the world to maintain stability (think south korea) and keeping sea passage open for trade (think Iran and pirates) so that all world economies (including ours can function. It's also based in people home states that employ people and pour money into the economy.
Anyhow- after that the other half is remaining. Being mindful that we bring in about a trillion less in taxes than we are projected to spend- and a massive deficit on which we are paying interest. So we are basically living on borrowed money that our kids will need to "pay back".. how much of that should we dedicate yearly to hosting border visitors?

It doesn't stop there. As liberals continue to allow these people to live here illegally, they then deliberately create pockets of poverty all over the nation, then scream "it's not fair!" as a way to redistribute the wealth of legal citizens and natural born citizens of this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our current budget is about 4.5 trillion. Of that half goes just tonscoial security and defense. Defense isnt only "buying expensive bombs" as liberals like to shriek. It is also veteran services, presence around the world to maintain stability (think south korea) and keeping sea passage open for trade (think Iran and pirates) so that all world economies (including ours can function. It's also based in people home states that employ people and pour money into the economy.
Anyhow- after that the other half is remaining. Being mindful that we bring in about a trillion less in taxes than we are projected to spend- and a massive deficit on which we are paying interest. So we are basically living on borrowed money that our kids will need to "pay back".. how much of that should we dedicate yearly to hosting border visitors?

It doesn't stop there. As liberals continue to allow these people to live here illegally, they then deliberately create pockets of poverty all over the nation, then scream "it's not fair!" as a way to redistribute the wealth of legal citizens and natural born citizens of this country.

Front page Post article about rural Americans self treating tooth abscesses with peroxide and aspirin and waiting 4 years to see a doctor at a pop-up clinic. Wasnt Obama care supposed to address this? Who are are priorities? I am so confused....

At this point should we contract one centralized for profit group like KBR which sets up camps and food service for our war zone deployed military and coordinate with public health service workers to set up massive efficient encampments. Same standards our military get, pup tents and cans, basic medical and 3 catered mass meals. Obviously they will have to spend money on vetted child careers sho will live at the facility along side guards.

[Anonymous]

Why is there this lengthy thread blaming the Trump admin. for the conditions at detention facilities when this was all started under Obama?

https://www.aila.org/File/Related/14111359v.pdf

In its July 24, 2015 Order, this Court found that “[i]n light of the voluminous evidence that Plaintiffs have presented of the egregious conditions of the holding cells [at Border Patrol Stations], . . . Defendants have materially breached the Agreement’s term that Defendants provide ‘safe and sanitary’ holding cells for class members while they are in temporary custody.” 212 F. Supp. 3d at 882. The Court referred to Paragraph 12A of the Agreement, which provides that class members shall be held in “safe and sanitary” facilities following arrest. Such CBP facilities, where class members spend one to several nights before transfer to a family residential center (accompanied minors) or to the Office of Refugee Settlement (unaccompanied minors), must “provide access to toilets and sinks, drinking water and food as appropriate, . . . [and] adequate temperature control and ventilation.” Agreement ¶ 12; see also 6 U.S.C. § 279. The conditions at these facilities must also be “consistent with the INS’s concern for the particular vulnerability of minors.” Agreement ¶ 12A.
At the time of the Court’s July 24, 2015 Order, Defendants relied solely on their Hold Rooms and Short Term Custody Policy as well as a single declaration from a Border Patrol officer to support their position that they satisfied the Agreement’s standards. 212 F. Supp. 3d at 881–82. Moreover, they argued that it would be impossible for them to provide the same level of care at the Border Patrol stations that they offered at longer-term facilities due to the short duration of stay at the Border Patrol stations and the large volume of individuals that pass through. Id.
Here, Plaintiffs argue that Defendants continue to detain class members in deplorable and unsanitary conditions in violation of the Agreement. Plaintiffs present voluminous testimony from class members in the form of declarations and deposition excerpts, which attest to the unsafe and unsanitary conditions at the CBP facilities in five different categories: (1) inadequate food; (2) inadequate access to clean drinking water; (3) inadequate hygiene (bathrooms, soap, towels, toothbrushes); (4) cold temperatures; and (5) inadequate sleeping conditions.

[Anonymous]

So at remote border outposts overwhelmed by large volume drop offs we want the same standard of care as at long term facilities? Meanwhile rural Americans dont see a doctor, at all, for four years. Meanwhile our current deficit (that American children will pay) is 207 billion dollars. This years government budget gap rose to 42 percent (what comes in with taxes/goes out in expenditures). We are hosting our visitors on borrowed money - is it like monopoly money? Just trying to connect all the dots in this crisis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So at remote border outposts overwhelmed by large volume drop offs we want the same standard of care as at long term facilities? Meanwhile rural Americans dont see a doctor, at all, for four years. Meanwhile our current deficit (that American children will pay) is 207 billion dollars. This years government budget gap rose to 42 percent (what comes in with taxes/goes out in expenditures). We are hosting our visitors on borrowed money - is it like monopoly money? Just trying to connect all the dots in this crisis.

look, if you don't want them called "concentration camps," then you will have to provide a basic level of safe and sanitary conditions, as well as appropriate conditions for children.

I'd like rural americans to have better access to health care. However, problems with US health care are not that we don't spend enough money. So you can drop that point that you think is so persuasive (because it is not).

Finally, immigrants are a net positive contribution to the US economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So at remote border outposts overwhelmed by large volume drop offs we want the same standard of care as at long term facilities? Meanwhile rural Americans dont see a doctor, at all, for four years. Meanwhile our current deficit (that American children will pay) is 207 billion dollars. This years government budget gap rose to 42 percent (what comes in with taxes/goes out in expenditures). We are hosting our visitors on borrowed money - is it like monopoly money? Just trying to connect all the dots in this crisis.

look, if you don't want them called "concentration camps," then you will have to provide a basic level of safe and sanitary conditions, as well as appropriate conditions for children.

I'd like rural americans to have better access to health care. However, problems with US health care are not that we don't spend enough money. So you can drop that point that you think is so persuasive (because it is not).

Finally, immigrants are a net positive contribution to the US economy.

So what you are saying is that you are using the term 'concentration camps' as a political ploy to harbor illegal immigrants? Thank you for at least being honest

We don't spend enough money? Send more of yours!! If you are living in a home, sell it. Surely you and your family can live in a one bedroom apartment so so many have so much less, right? I mean, at least you will have running water and electricity, etc. Just less space, but space is a convenience of the 'haves'.

[Anonymous]

Oh, NOW R’s are worried about the deficit

Maybe we shouldn’t have passed tax cut upon tax cut and then cried poormouth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So at remote border outposts overwhelmed by large volume drop offs we want the same standard of care as at long term facilities? Meanwhile rural Americans dont see a doctor, at all, for four years. Meanwhile our current deficit (that American children will pay) is 207 billion dollars. This years government budget gap rose to 42 percent (what comes in with taxes/goes out in expenditures). We are hosting our visitors on borrowed money - is it like monopoly money? Just trying to connect all the dots in this crisis.

Blaming our country’s failings of poor people on other poor people.
If only we could get rid of these illegal poor people then all the good things will shower down upon you legal poor people.