Larger women in ads for Target and Athleta

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Anonymous wrote:Are we supposed to laud those on My 600lb Life? They’re making obviously horrible decisions and also have mental problems that lead them to those situations. Bit I’m not going to so inclusive as to say they should have spandex tough Rs and sports bras. They just don’t need it when they’re working on walking to the bathroom unassisted.

At what point is the slippery slope to that, flattened?

I spend my weekends right now planning my garden and you spend yours constructing straw man arguments.

Come July I’ll have flowers to show for it and you’ll still just have “fat shaming” as your hobby.

Not a straw man. What is the limit of the “body positive” perspective? High BMI is definitely bad. Why is normalizing that a public health benefit?

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I wish the stupid concern troll "normalizing" people would just go away until they gain enough brain cells to understand the concept of advertising. Until then, they are a dumb waste of space.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Meanwhile the woman you despise is probably happier, with a better sex life. But you do you, she can do what she likes.

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I hope the sales continue or increase in support of this move, so that it keeps coming and all of our barometers are shifted over time until this becomes normal to us.

Do you work in health care? I do, in direct patient care. In a facility that primarily serves the two demographics with the highest rates of obesity in the United States.

I deeply, passionately hope that our societal barometers do not permanently shift, so that morbid obesity is normalized. Or even obesity. Both are undeniably independent risk factors for disease and mortality. We knew this already but Covid has put this reality in stark relief. Obese people obviously should not closet themselves and be publicly shamed. But neither should DISEASE be promoted and normalized as if it's just another rational option among many.

I mean, why not go back to allowing smoking ads? Showing smokers in catalogues like we did in the 60s? Smokers deserve our compassion, too. Normalizing cigarettes on Instagram could reduce the stigma smokers feel and lead the public to be more accepting of their choice to take up smoking in the first place and the difficulty they face in trying to quit.

Of course that's patently ridiculous. Yet a growing chorus would like to normalize a comorbidity that unequivocally contributes to multiple cancers, diabetes and heart disease.

The women who respond to this by saying they're significantly overweight with "great labs" and normal blood pressure will not be able to say this after age 40 or so. I've never once, not once, treated an obese patient >50 years who was otherwise disease-free.

Except that’s one hundred percent what you freaky fat shamers want. You want all of us obese people to feel fat, to understand that you, “a healthcare worker” has never, not once, “treated” an obese patient who was otherwise disease free. You know what I wish for you fat shamers, every single time I read one of your concern trolling posts? I wish morbid obesity for each of you. I wish for you a series of occurrences - some within your control and some out - that creates for you a body that is constantly patrolled, shamed, tsk’d at, vilified, difficult to shop for, for then perhaps you might grow a shred of humanity. But I have doubts.

Your “patients” know how you think. And they feel nothing but scorn for you, too, kiddo.

Fat doctors will tell their patients they need to lose weight. Kettle meet pot and all of that. But the doctor is right. Being obese is not healthy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the point is about helping people actually envision themselves in the clothes the way they are supposed to look on many different bodies. The reviews section tends to help people choose whether a fit will be right for them, thus cutting down on returns (e.g., "I'm 5'1 and 152 lbs and this was way too tight in the hips, but the length was perfect for once"). This is another step in the same direction. They are letting people actually see how the clothes fit different body types. It is useless to see a tall model in a size 2, and envision that same outfit on you if you are a short size 14. You are almost guaranteed to return the item and post a bad review.

This is why I read and leave reviews. To get and give more accurate perspectives.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Meanwhile the woman you despise is probably happier, with a better sex life. But you do you, she can do what she likes.

DP. Yes, 'fat is healthy' and 'women in porn have better sex lives' definitely are great messages, especially for teenage girls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Meanwhile the woman you despise is probably happier, with a better sex life. But you do you, she can do what she likes.

DP. Yes, 'fat is healthy' and 'women in porn have better sex lives' definitely are great messages, especially for teenage girls.

Is there something about far shaming that makes you argue points no one else made, or can you just not read very well?

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I love the new models! I gained weight during COVID trying to work and wrangle two small children, and I am inspired by images of women who look like me in workout gear. I don't like feeling as if I don't belong in society at large until I lose weight. The pictures give me a sense of belonging, which is also motivating. If I didn't feel motivated, I would instead feel depressed by my weight gain and give up trying to exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Meanwhile the woman you despise is probably happier, with a better sex life. But you do you, she can do what she likes.

DP. Yes, 'fat is healthy' and 'women in porn have better sex lives' definitely are great messages, especially for teenage girls.

Is there something about far shaming that makes you argue points no one else made, or can you just not read very well?

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Honestly I think she is just stupid. It's too bad but not something she can really fix.

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Huh, I just appreciate this because it shows me what clothes look like on people of different sizes, which is what models should do. Everlane started doing this a couple of years ago - showing each item on a model at size 0, size 6, size 12, etc. it was super helpful especially with online ordering - I don’t care what a pair of pants looks like on a size 00, that doesn’t help me at all. Show me different sizes so that I can see how it’s going to look when I get it on.

[Anonymous]

Am I the only one that looks at the larger models and is turned off from buying it? I think I want to be sold the dream...

Good for them, just not sure it will help sales.

At my age, I am no longer dreaming of being 5'10 and a size 2. I've been 5'4 for 30+ years, and I couldn't fit into a size two even when I had an eating disorder and weighed 30 pounds less than I do now.

I agree with some previous PPs who would love to see more clothes on medium sized people. My weight is in the mid 120s and I wear an 8. So the willowy 6 footers and the plus size women don't help me much with online shopping. On the other hand, I get the impression that some of you would consider a person my size equally off-putting as a woman in a 3X, and you wish that clothes only came in a 000 to a size 6 (for the fatties!)

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Meanwhile the woman you despise is probably happier, with a better sex life. But you do you, she can do what she likes.

DP. Yes, 'fat is healthy' and 'women in porn have better sex lives' definitely are great messages, especially for teenage girls.

Is there something about far shaming that makes you argue points no one else made, or can you just not read very well?

+1

Honestly I think she is just stupid. It's too bad but not something she can really fix.

Who is stupid? The DP, or one of the PP’s (which one?) or the obese porn actress body positivity blogger?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Meanwhile the woman you despise is probably happier, with a better sex life. But you do you, she can do what she likes.

DP. Yes, 'fat is healthy' and 'women in porn have better sex lives' definitely are great messages, especially for teenage girls.

Is there something about far shaming that makes you argue points no one else made, or can you just not read very well?

+1

Honestly I think she is just stupid. It's too bad but not something she can really fix.

Who is stupid? The DP, or one of the PP’s (which one?) or the obese porn actress body positivity blogger?

The one who identified as DP and went on about teenage girls. The PP is right that the DP can't read. I think she's just stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, I am not "body positive" in that I think people should strive to be a healthy weight. But for a variety of reasons, people sometimes aren't able to do that. Maybe they are depressed, or anxious, or just had a baby. So it's good for ads to show all body types so that people can look at the fit of an item on a body similar to theirs.

I guarantee you that AT LEAST 99% of us who are overweight are striving to be a healthy weight. Even those who are "body positive." But I admire women who don't despise themselves despite their inability to maintain a healthy weight.

I admire the people who are striving to be a healthy weight. Especially when it’s difficult because of their circumstances. I also think people should love and respect their bodies. Where the body positivity movement goes wrong, however, is to say there is something wrong with the “good fatty, bad fatty dichotomy.” I did not make this phrase up. Multiple body positivity bloggers write about it and make it their mission to convince people that it’s ok not to want to lose weight or eat healthy foods or exercise. One blogger is very obese and acts in porn movies as a statement that fat is acceptable and sexy. I don’t think that’s body positive to act in porn or to feed yourself junk food.

So don't do it. Problem solved.

Meanwhile the woman you despise is probably happier, with a better sex life. But you do you, she can do what she likes.

DP. Yes, 'fat is healthy' and 'women in porn have better sex lives' definitely are great messages, especially for teenage girls.

Is there something about far shaming that makes you argue points no one else made, or can you just not read very well?

+1

Honestly I think she is just stupid. It's too bad but not something she can really fix.

Who is stupid? The DP, or one of the PP’s (which one?) or the obese porn actress body positivity blogger?

The one who identified as DP and went on about teenage girls. The PP is right that the DP can't read. I think she's just stupid.

I’m not DP, but she is referring to the PP who talked about a body positivity blogger who talked about it’s ok to be a “bad fatty” (her words) and that it’s ok to eat whatever you want, ok to stay fat, ok not to exercise, ok to act in porn to prove that fat is sexy. I don’t think those actions are from a mentally and physically healthy person who feels positivity towards her own body.