Do you feel like a sucker if you grew up Middle Class and your family obeyed all of the rules...

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Anonymous wrote:Do you feel like a sucker if you grew up middle class...your family obeyed all of the rules...worked the proverbial "9-5" and had nothing to show for it? I feel like we were suckers to work so heard and then couldn't even afford to go out (ever) nor go on vacations. I suspect most Americans are like this and only the uMC/rich get to enjoy the perks/profits off the backs of the MC

Boo hoo. News flash, you are not entitled to anything. Why do you feel that by growing up middle class and following the rules you are entitled to a certain lifestyle?

You probably live in comfortable home with heat, a/c, several televisions, and have a car. There are many people who have much much less. Are you sad because you don’t drive a Lexus and vacation in Paris every year? Not everyone can live in a McMansion.

Finally, it’s really not that hard to figure out how to have a high income if that is your priority. If you did not grow up rich, you will need a profession that pays well to have a more comfortable lifestyle. For example doctor, banking, big law. Engineering or business owner is another option. It’s not exactly a secret the professions such as teaching are hard work but pay less. Are you expecting to live a cushy lifestyle on a teacher salary?

You are totally correct. Teachers are worthless and have no place in society. How dare they expect the dignity of a living wage.

Please actually read my comment before posting inane replies. No where did I say anything even remotely close to your comment.

Most teachers I know (family and friends) work incredibly hard at a very very difficult job. I personally believe that teachers in most geographies in the US are significantly underpaid. Not only underpaid, they are undervalued compared to other public sector workers such as cops and firefighters.

However, not one of them whines about being a ‘sucker’ (what an infantile term) for going into their chosen profession. Salaries are publicly available and stable. No one went into teaching expecting to be able to take European vacations each year and drive a Range Rover. While they are underpaid, they certainly make a living wage.

I hope that you are not teaching my children with your demonstrated level of reading comprehension.

If you are the "boo hoo/newsflash person", you know you just totally contradicted yourself. Why shouldn't teachers have cushy lifestyles? Seriously, why shouldn't they make 6 figures?

Again, reading comprehension. Try it.

There is nothing wrong with choosing profession or 9-5 that aligns to your interests and abilities, despite it not being high paying. My problem is with the OP and public school teacher posters who lament choosing a 9-5 / middle class profession and then gripe about not being able to afford luxuries in life. If you want to be UMC and afford a cushy lifestyle, then you need an income that pays more. Teaching does not pay for an UMC lifestyle and everyone knows this.

hahahahaha. You actually think teaching is a 9-5 job? Also why should teachers not make 6 figures? They work 60 hour weeks if you know anything about teaching and they have to pay for continual professional development. This is like an office worker who sits around all day.

Fairness isn't the issue. Reality is. In reality, enough people are qualified for, and seek, teaching positions at the current salary. So, they won't raise the salary. One thing that I often do to help with my own problem solving is to make myself focus intently on what is true and acknowledge it. The truth is, teaching will always (in our lifetime) be under compensated. What are you doing to hustle for yourself? You could try to go into education administration, or consulting, or something else. But whining that your poorly compensated job is poorly compensated won't help. It reLly won't.

This. I would have loved to be a teacher, but I picked a different field that would pay more. Teaching has other benefits, such as enjoying the work, satisfaction of educating children, etc. Same with other types of work like non-profits. I don't like my job, but I stick with it because it pays more. My husband and I have no other source of income other than what we earn and invest, so we picked UMC careers on purpose. We hustled to get into management and put up with a lot of BS for the paychecks. We also lived extremely frugally before we met each other and are still careful with money. Not sure where these ideas that everyone else jetsets internationally with the kids comes from.

I don't understand someone going into a field that's widely known for not being high-paying, then getting upset that it's not high-paying. It's not too late to go into another field or hustle to transition into a more lucrative side of education. If I could earn the same as a teacher as what I make in my soul-sucking, highly competitive job that I have now, then I would switch in a heartbeat. You're getting something else from being a teacher. Either that something else (job satisfaction, working in education, etc.) has value to you or it doesn't. If it doesn't then go get a different job that pays more.

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Nothing to show for it if your parents are now poor with no retirement.

If they are still living quietly but comfortably, then they are successful.

Now in this country, healthcare and nursing costs are a complete mess. If a middle class person has a serious illness and needs care, all bets are off.

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Anonymous wrote:So my parents live very well on their retirement. My father was career military and then was a government service worker. My mom never worked. My grandfather also was career military. They have unbelievable pensions and my father even more so. Whereas my husband and I who are way better educated will never retire.

Makes you wonder if we should encourage our kids to join the military, maybe Airforce or Navy

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Don't teachers have good retirement packages?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you feel like a sucker if you grew up middle class...your family obeyed all of the rules...worked the proverbial "9-5" and had nothing to show for it? I feel like we were suckers to work so heard and then couldn't even afford to go out (ever) nor go on vacations. I suspect most Americans are like this and only the uMC/rich get to enjoy the perks/profits off the backs of the MC

Boo hoo. News flash, you are not entitled to anything. Why do you feel that by growing up middle class and following the rules you are entitled to a certain lifestyle?

You probably live in comfortable home with heat, a/c, several televisions, and have a car. There are many people who have much much less. Are you sad because you don’t drive a Lexus and vacation in Paris every year? Not everyone can live in a McMansion.

Finally, it’s really not that hard to figure out how to have a high income if that is your priority. If you did not grow up rich, you will need a profession that pays well to have a more comfortable lifestyle. For example doctor, banking, big law. Engineering or business owner is another option. It’s not exactly a secret the professions such as teaching are hard work but pay less. Are you expecting to live a cushy lifestyle on a teacher salary?

You are totally correct. Teachers are worthless and have no place in society. How dare they expect the dignity of a living wage.

Please actually read my comment before posting inane replies. No where did I say anything even remotely close to your comment.

Most teachers I know (family and friends) work incredibly hard at a very very difficult job. I personally believe that teachers in most geographies in the US are significantly underpaid. Not only underpaid, they are undervalued compared to other public sector workers such as cops and firefighters.

However, not one of them whines about being a ‘sucker’ (what an infantile term) for going into their chosen profession. Salaries are publicly available and stable. No one went into teaching expecting to be able to take European vacations each year and drive a Range Rover. While they are underpaid, they certainly make a living wage.

I hope that you are not teaching my children with your demonstrated level of reading comprehension.

If you are the "boo hoo/newsflash person", you know you just totally contradicted yourself. Why shouldn't teachers have cushy lifestyles? Seriously, why shouldn't they make 6 figures?

Again, reading comprehension. Try it.

There is nothing wrong with choosing profession or 9-5 that aligns to your interests and abilities, despite it not being high paying. My problem is with the OP and public school teacher posters who lament choosing a 9-5 / middle class profession and then gripe about not being able to afford luxuries in life. If you want to be UMC and afford a cushy lifestyle, then you need an income that pays more. Teaching does not pay for an UMC lifestyle and everyone knows this.

hahahahaha. You actually think teaching is a 9-5 job? Also why should teachers not make 6 figures? They work 60 hour weeks if you know anything about teaching and they have to pay for continual professional development. This is like an office worker who sits around all day.

Fairness isn't the issue. Reality is. In reality, enough people are qualified for, and seek, teaching positions at the current salary. So, they won't raise the salary. One thing that I often do to help with my own problem solving is to make myself focus intently on what is true and acknowledge it. The truth is, teaching will always (in our lifetime) be under compensated. What are you doing to hustle for yourself? You could try to go into education administration, or consulting, or something else. But whining that your poorly compensated job is poorly compensated won't help. It reLly won't.

This. I would have loved to be a teacher, but I picked a different field that would pay more. Teaching has other benefits, such as enjoying the work, satisfaction of educating children, etc. Same with other types of work like non-profits. I don't like my job, but I stick with it because it pays more. My husband and I have no other source of income other than what we earn and invest, so we picked UMC careers on purpose. We hustled to get into management and put up with a lot of BS for the paychecks. We also lived extremely frugally before we met each other and are still careful with money. Not sure where these ideas that everyone else jetsets internationally with the kids comes from.

I don't understand someone going into a field that's widely known for not being high-paying, then getting upset that it's not high-paying. It's not too late to go into another field or hustle to transition into a more lucrative side of education. If I could earn the same as a teacher as what I make in my soul-sucking, highly competitive job that I have now, then I would switch in a heartbeat. You're getting something else from being a teacher. Either that something else (job satisfaction, working in education, etc.) has value to you or it doesn't. If it doesn't then go get a different job that pays more.

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An important part missing in these posts is the OCCUPATIONS. Best way to save our kids is know which professions to choose or avoid.