Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
If your child is in the Blair magnet or CAP, they will have most of their classes with highly motivated students. I don't get the relevance of the race of those students.

[code]It isn't relevant. In fact, there's been no discussion along those lines. This was about determining a school's merit by factoring for the socioeconomic differences. Most of the metrics put forth here are simple averages which tell us little aside from a neighborhood's overall affluence. The earlier poster was trying to address this by looking at a head to head comparison of how a single large common cohort performs across these schools.

The race data poster did not choose a large or representative sample from Blair. She chose only 100 white kids out of 2800 kids. SAT scores already do not represent the lowest performing/high FARMS kids because its is self selected from kids who want to apply to colleges. She couldn't post Blair's actual scores because they don't make Blair look good. She couldn't select Asian or AA kids because other schools scored higher. She could only cherry pick out 100 white kids to get to her fantasy numbers which is not relevant. She certainly did not control for SES in any way with this bad analysis. Its stupid and pointless.

This bad data poster (who I honesty think is the same one clapping almost immediately after she posts) is constantly monitoring any thread that ever mentions Blair and brings in her bad, misleading data. She then immediately starts agreeing with herself and thanking herself. She watches the threads and can never not let the last posts not be her BS. She skates over any question or criticism of Blair and just reposts her same BS. Sometimes she reposts and thanks herself or add nothing more than one word. Just watch, she'll be back repeating her post and congratulating herself again.

I wonder if it ever occurred to her that the OP or OP's kids might not be white or might not be interested in a magnet program. She seems to think that Blair's high drop out rate, low test scores, and other problems are not important as long as less than 5% of the kids can score well on a SAT test.

This post makes no sense at all. I thought we established that there are around 700 white kids at Blair of which only around 120 are out of bounds magnet students. The poster you are criticizing tried to calculate the SAT score for the non magnet white students at Blair and established that it was equivalent to the scores of white students in the more affluent school clusters and better than the scores of white students in other DCC school clusters

[Anonymous]

If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

Because it’s SAT data, and all 700 kids didn’t take the SAT in one year. Students don’t take it every year of high school. Every white kid at W schools don’t take it every year either, so it’s not like she is comparing 110 at Blair to 1500 somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

Because it’s SAT data, and all 700 kids didn’t take the SAT in one year. Students don’t take it every year of high school. Every white kid at W schools don’t take it every year either, so it’s not like she is comparing 110 at Blair to 1500 somewhere else.

The report clearly states how many kids in each cohort took the SATs at each school. Nobody said anything like that. Please learn to read before posting this gibberish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

Because it’s SAT data, and all 700 kids didn’t take the SAT in one year. Students don’t take it every year of high school. Every white kid at W schools don’t take it every year either, so it’s not like she is comparing 110 at Blair to 1500 somewhere else.

The report clearly states how many kids in each cohort took the SATs at each school. Nobody said anything like that. Please learn to read before posting this gibberish.

NP: but that is what you are implying. If you wanted to look at all of white students scores you would have to compare them within their cohort year by year. The data that MCPS supplies only includes seniors for each reported year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

Because it’s SAT data, and all 700 kids didn’t take the SAT in one year. Students don’t take it every year of high school. Every white kid at W schools don’t take it every year either, so it’s not like she is comparing 110 at Blair to 1500 somewhere else.

The report clearly states how many kids in each cohort took the SATs at each school. Nobody said anything like that. Please learn to read before posting this gibberish.

NP: but that is what you are implying. If you wanted to look at all of white students scores you would have to compare them within their cohort year by year. The data that MCPS supplies only includes seniors for each reported year.

gibberish

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

Because it’s SAT data, and all 700 kids didn’t take the SAT in one year. Students don’t take it every year of high school. Every white kid at W schools don’t take it every year either, so it’s not like she is comparing 110 at Blair to 1500 somewhere else.

The report clearly states how many kids in each cohort took the SATs at each school. Nobody said anything like that. Please learn to read before posting this gibberish.

NP: but that is what you are implying. If you wanted to look at all of white students scores you would have to compare them within their cohort year by year. The data that MCPS supplies only includes seniors for each reported year.

gibberish

Please provide links to prove this is gibberish. You called out the SAT data poster but you post opinions not facts on every Blair thread. You clearly have an agenda too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

Because it’s SAT data, and all 700 kids didn’t take the SAT in one year. Students don’t take it every year of high school. Every white kid at W schools don’t take it every year either, so it’s not like she is comparing 110 at Blair to 1500 somewhere else.

The report clearly states how many kids in each cohort took the SATs at each school. Nobody said anything like that. Please learn to read before posting this gibberish.

Yes, Page 7 of the report has this data. It shows the total number (N Grads) vs the number that took the SAT at each school. Sure, the poster's point was there are demographic differences at these schools and I also don't see how these numbers diminish the results.

N Grads N Took %Took Blair 164 110 67.1 Poolesville 140 95 67.9 Wooton 244 107 43.9

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you look at the document that the poster sent out (the one marked memo to principals, warning its a long document) you can see the number of students. She used the data that corresponds to only 110 white kids. It was not all 700 students white students at Blair by any means but I'm sure that she would love for you to think it was all of them.

Because it’s SAT data, and all 700 kids didn’t take the SAT in one year. Students don’t take it every year of high school. Every white kid at W schools don’t take it every year either, so it’s not like she is comparing 110 at Blair to 1500 somewhere else.

The report clearly states how many kids in each cohort took the SATs at each school. Nobody said anything like that. Please learn to read before posting this gibberish.

Yes, Page 7 of the report has this data. It shows the total number (N Grads) vs the number that took the SAT at each school. Sure, the poster's point was there are demographic differences at these schools and I also don't see how these numbers diminish the results.

N Grads N Took %Took Blair 164 110 67.1 Poolesville 140 95 67.9 Wooton 244 107 43.9

Basically 110 took the SAT at Blair while 107 did at Wooton and 95 at Poolesville. We're splitting hairs here.

[Anonymous]

I have a hard time believing that the chart you just posted is not made up by you. You spelled Wootton wrong which I doubt would happen on an actual report.

[Anonymous]

NP: but that is what you are implying. If you wanted to look at all of white students scores you would have to compare them within their cohort year by year. The data that MCPS supplies only includes seniors for each reported year.

Agree plus why on earth are we focusing on 100 kids at Blair as some determining measure for the OP to buy a crappy house in the Blair cluster rather than a nicer house in the Kennedy cluster?

OP - buy the house that you love in the neighborhood that you like. For schools, give them a chance and if it doesn't work in K-8 there are less expensive parochial private schools that are very popular with people in SS. For HS wait until your child is older and knows his/hers interests and strengths and then choose the school through the consortium that best fits his/her needs.

If you want a high scoring school where everyone achieves close to the top range then move west, Blair or Kennedy is not that school. If you like the idea of a school that offers specialization then the DCC is a good option for your child to take more courses in subjects he/she is passionate about in high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time believing that the chart you just posted is not made up by you. You spelled Wootton wrong which I doubt would happen on an actual report.

Don't know where OP found table, but anyone interested in facts posted by MCPS: http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

You can see that the number of white students that took the SAT in 2017 is similar to the schools PP posted earlier in the thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a hard time believing that the chart you just posted is not made up by you. You spelled Wootton wrong which I doubt would happen on an actual report.

Not the person you are responding to but the numbers are in this report which is available to the public through the mcps department of shared accountability I believe these numbers are in table A7
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.

This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088

How is it determined that Blair is the "most diverse" school in Maryland?

Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.

I'm pretty sure Blair has been ranked the most diverse in MD by a number of places including Niche.

[Anonymous]

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NP: but that is what you are implying. If you wanted to look at all of white students scores you would have to compare them within their cohort year by year. The data that MCPS supplies only includes seniors for each reported year.

Agree plus why on earth are we focusing on 100 kids at Blair as some determining measure for the OP to buy a crappy house in the Blair cluster rather than a nicer house in the Kennedy cluster?

OP - buy the house that you love in the neighborhood that you like. For schools, give them a chance and if it doesn't work in K-8 there are less expensive parochial private schools that are very popular with people in SS. For HS wait until your child is older and knows his/hers interests and strengths and then choose the school through the consortium that best fits his/her needs.

If you want a high scoring school where everyone achieves close to the top range then move west, Blair or Kennedy is not that school. If you like the idea of a school that offers specialization then the DCC is a good option for your child to take more courses in subjects he/she is passionate about in high school.

The facts presented here suggest that if you want an even HIGHER scoring school move to Blair.