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Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.


This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088


How is it determined that Blair is the "most diverse" school in Maryland?

Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.


Interesting....
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The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.

Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153


These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.

You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.


Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.


But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?


WTH are you talking about? Do you actually know anything about Blair? Blair is 22% white. It is only 36% FARMS. What is up with posters acting like Blair only has two white students , and everyone else is desperately poor?


I know Blair has around 600 whereas Poolesville is 850. Sure, percentages are different that was the OP's point, but the numers are sufficiently large to make a fair comparison.


In 2017-18, Blair had 694 white students and Poolesville had 601.
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The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.

Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153


These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.

You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.


Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.


But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?


WTH are you talking about? Do you actually know anything about Blair? Blair is 22% white. It is only 36% FARMS. What is up with posters acting like Blair only has two white students , and everyone else is desperately poor?


I know Blair has around 600 whereas Poolesville is 850. Sure, percentages are different that was the OP's point, but the numers are sufficiently large to make a fair comparison.


In 2017-18, Blair had 694 white students and Poolesville had 601.

And maybe 150 of the nearly 700 white students might be out of bounds magnet
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The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.

Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153


These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.

You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.


Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.


But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?


WTH are you talking about? Do you actually know anything about Blair? Blair is 22% white. It is only 36% FARMS. What is up with posters acting like Blair only has two white students , and everyone else is desperately poor?


I know Blair has around 600 whereas Poolesville is 850. Sure, percentages are different that was the OP's point, but the numers are sufficiently large to make a fair comparison.


In 2017-18, Blair had 694 white students and Poolesville had 601.

And maybe 150 of the nearly 700 white students might be out of bounds magnet


I'd imagine that is similar to Poolesville. About 75% to 80% of the Blair magnet is OOB of which 40% is white so roughly 120 students.
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In 2017-18, Blair had 694 white students and Poolesville had 601.

And maybe 150 of the nearly 700 white students might be out of bounds magnet


I'd imagine that is similar to Poolesville. About 75% to 80% of the Blair magnet is OOB of which 40% is white so roughly 120 students.

In 2017-2018, John Poole MS had 116 8th graders, of whom 71.7% were white, so 83 white 8th graders. And Poolesville HS had 293 9th graders, of whom 50.8% were white, so 149 white 9th graders. Assuming that each class is typical in size and demographic make-up (which one should not necessarily assume), just over half of the white students at Poolesville HS are zoned for Poolesville HS.

So much for the numbers. I'm not understanding the reasoning here, though. Is the argument that all of the white students at Blair are zoned for other schools (other schools, period? other schools outside the DCC?) and are only at Blair because of the SMACS magnet? And so therefore they don't really count as Blair students? Or something?
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The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.

Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153


These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.

You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.


Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.


But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?


WTH are you talking about? Do you actually know anything about Blair? Blair is 22% white. It is only 36% FARMS. What is up with posters acting like Blair only has two white students , and everyone else is desperately poor?


I know Blair has around 600 whereas Poolesville is 850. Sure, percentages are different that was the OP's point, but the numers are sufficiently large to make a fair comparison.


In 2017-18, Blair had 694 white students and Poolesville had 601.


So about 25% of the white kids at blair are magnet which makes up about almost 10% of that 22%. 36% is quite a bit considering how poor one has to be to count as poor but the real rate is well north of 50% considering kids who have ever accepted FARMS and that doesn't factor in copious amounts of Latino Kids with incomplete data spurred on by their lack of trust in the system due to their questionable immigration status of them or their parents. I would bet the real world poor levels at Blair is 60-70%

Yes i consider a 10% dropout rate(1/10), published 50% poverty levels (1/2) and flirting with single digit populations of IB kids that look like my kid (13%) to be deal breakers. Not to mention the traffic and location in a slipping part of the city, I have no idea why people get excited about Blair, one must surmise that the rest of the DCC is really bad.
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In 2017-18, Blair had 694 white students and Poolesville had 601.

And maybe 150 of the nearly 700 white students might be out of bounds magnet


I'd imagine that is similar to Poolesville. About 75% to 80% of the Blair magnet is OOB of which 40% is white so roughly 120 students.


In 2017-2018, John Poole MS had 116 8th graders, of whom 71.7% were white, so 83 white 8th graders. And Poolesville HS had 293 9th graders, of whom 50.8% were white, so 149 white 9th graders. Assuming that each class is typical in size and demographic make-up (which one should not necessarily assume), just over half of the white students at Poolesville HS are zoned for Poolesville HS.

So much for the numbers. I'm not understanding the reasoning here, though. Is the argument that all of the white students at Blair are zoned for other schools (other schools, period? other schools outside the DCC?) and are only at Blair because of the SMACS magnet? And so therefore they don't really count as Blair students? Or something?
That is particularly silly, given that Takoma Park and Woodmoor (especially) have plenty of white people, and are both zoned for Blair.
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So about 25% of the white kids at blair are magnet which makes up about almost 10% of that 22%. 36% is quite a bit considering how poor one has to be to count as poor but the real rate is well north of 50% considering kids who have ever accepted FARMS and that doesn't factor in copious amounts of Latino Kids with incomplete data spurred on by their lack of trust in the system due to their questionable immigration status of them or their parents. I would bet the real world poor levels at Blair is 60-70%

Yes i consider a 10% dropout rate(1/10), published 50% poverty levels (1/2) and flirting with single digit populations of IB kids that look like my kid (13%) to be deal breakers. Not to mention the traffic and location in a slipping part of the city, I have no idea why people get excited about Blair, one must surmise that the rest of the DCC is really bad.


In other words: you don't want your white kid at Blair because there are lots of kids at Blair who aren't white and are poor, and you also don't like that other people's opinions of Blair may be different from yours. Oh well, less competition for the kids who do want to go to Blair. Win-win. Yay!
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The real SAT numbers for the top 10 schools. Since QO, NW and WM are so close I included all 3.

Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Chruchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153


These are the 2017 scores and the scores that are published for the schools. They are also on the crazy SAT poster's link. She had basically just cherry picked out a small cohort -100 kids to get her number. Lets play het game for Poolesville and Blair with only the asian students. Poolesville scores 1420 while Blair only scores 1290. Wow- Blair really sucks as a magnet no wonder it never shows up on lists for the top schools in MD or ever gets ranked nationally with other top magnets. Let's look at AA students for Blair, Poolesville and Churchill a non magnet. Poolesville 1380, Churchill 1174 and Blair 1032. Bye bye Blair again.

You can play that game and get whatever optical results you want which is very deceptive but somehow I doubt being honest is her goal.


Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.


But the Cohort picked isn't a common one at blair, in fact it is so small that it must be kids specific and not cohort. One or two bright kids could skew the entire average at a school like Blair where they are basically unicorns. Comparing that average to a school where that cohort is the majority and a much larger and consistent group is disingenuous at best. Why not high light all the every other demographic where the kids are doing worse?


WTH are you talking about? Do you actually know anything about Blair? Blair is 22% white. It is only 36% FARMS. What is up with posters acting like Blair only has two white students , and everyone else is desperately poor?


I know Blair has around 600 whereas Poolesville is 850. Sure, percentages are different that was the OP's point, but the numers are sufficiently large to make a fair comparison.


In 2017-18, Blair had 694 white students and Poolesville had 601.


So about 25% of the white kids at blair are magnet which makes up about almost 10% of that 22%. 36% is quite a bit considering how poor one has to be to count as poor but the real rate is well north of 50% considering kids who have ever accepted FARMS and that doesn't factor in copious amounts of Latino Kids with incomplete data spurred on by their lack of trust in the system due to their questionable immigration status of them or their parents. I would bet the real world poor levels at Blair is 60-70%

Yes i consider a 10% dropout rate(1/10), published 50% poverty levels (1/2) and flirting with single digit populations of IB kids that look like my kid (13%) to be deal breakers. Not to mention the traffic and location in a slipping part of the city, I have no idea why people get excited about Blair, one must surmise that the rest of the DCC is really bad.


Well ok, don't let reality get in the way of your fear-based racial paranoia. Just stay wherever the heck it is you live, and keep that craziness with you.
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Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.


This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088


How is it determined that Blair is the "most diverse" school in Maryland?

Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.


Interesting....


2019 Most Diverse Public High Schools in Maryland
https://www.niche.com/k12/search/most-diverse-public-high-schools/s/maryland/
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If your child is in the Blair magnet or CAP, they will have most of their classes with highly motivated students. I don't get the relevance of the race of those students.
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Anonymous wrote:If your child is in the Blair magnet or CAP, they will have most of their classes with highly motivated students. I don't get the relevance of the race of those students.


It isn't relevant. In fact, there's been no discussion along those lines. This was about determining a school's merit by factoring for the socioeconomic differences. Most of the metrics put forth here are simple averages which tell us little aside from a neighborhood's overall affluence. The earlier poster was trying to address this by looking at a head to head comparison of how a single large common cohort performs across these schools.
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So about 25% of the white kids at blair are magnet which makes up about almost 10% of that 22%. 36% is quite a bit considering how poor one has to be to count as poor but the real rate is well north of 50% considering kids who have ever accepted FARMS and that doesn't factor in copious amounts of Latino Kids with incomplete data spurred on by their lack of trust in the system due to their questionable immigration status of them or their parents. I would bet the real world poor levels at Blair is 60-70%

Yes i consider a 10% dropout rate(1/10), published 50% poverty levels (1/2) and flirting with single digit populations of IB kids that look like my kid (13%) to be deal breakers. Not to mention the traffic and location in a slipping part of the city, I have no idea why people get excited about Blair, one must surmise that the rest of the DCC is really bad.


In other words: you don't want your white kid at Blair because there are lots of kids at Blair who aren't white and are poor, and you also don't like that other people's opinions of Blair may be different from yours. Oh well, less competition for the kids who do want to go to Blair. Win-win. Yay!


Diversity is code for lower standards? Got it! Who is looking for less competition now?
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If your child is in the Blair magnet or CAP, they will have most of their classes with highly motivated students. I don't get the relevance of the race of those students.


[code]It isn't relevant. In fact, there's been no discussion along those lines. This was about determining a school's merit by factoring for the socioeconomic differences. Most of the metrics put forth here are simple averages which tell us little aside from a neighborhood's overall affluence. The earlier poster was trying to address this by looking at a head to head comparison of how a single large common cohort performs across these schools.


The race data poster did not choose a large or representative sample from Blair. She chose only 100 white kids out of 2800 kids. SAT scores already do not represent the lowest performing/high FARMS kids because its is self selected from kids who want to apply to colleges. She couldn't post Blair's actual scores because they don't make Blair look good. She couldn't select Asian or AA kids because other schools scored higher. She could only cherry pick out 100 white kids to get to her fantasy numbers which is not relevant. She certainly did not control for SES in any way with this bad analysis. Its stupid and pointless.

This bad data poster (who I honesty think is the same one clapping almost immediately after she posts) is constantly monitoring any thread that ever mentions Blair and brings in her bad, misleading data. She then immediately starts agreeing with herself and thanking herself. She watches the threads and can never not let the last posts not be her BS. She skates over any question or criticism of Blair and just reposts her same BS. Sometimes she reposts and thanks herself or add nothing more than one word. Just watch, she'll be back repeating her post and congratulating herself again.

I wonder if it ever occurred to her that the OP or OP's kids might not be white or might not be interested in a magnet program. She seems to think that Blair's high drop out rate, low test scores, and other problems are not important as long as less than 5% of the kids can score well on a SAT test.
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If your child is in the Blair magnet or CAP, they will have most of their classes with highly motivated students. I don't get the relevance of the race of those students.


[code]It isn't relevant. In fact, there's been no discussion along those lines. This was about determining a school's merit by factoring for the socioeconomic differences. Most of the metrics put forth here are simple averages which tell us little aside from a neighborhood's overall affluence. The earlier poster was trying to address this by looking at a head to head comparison of how a single large common cohort performs across these schools.


The race data poster did not choose a large or representative sample from Blair. She chose only 100 white kids out of 2800 kids. SAT scores already do not represent the lowest performing/high FARMS kids because its is self selected from kids who want to apply to colleges. She couldn't post Blair's actual scores because they don't make Blair look good. She couldn't select Asian or AA kids because other schools scored higher. She could only cherry pick out 100 white kids to get to her fantasy numbers which is not relevant. She certainly did not control for SES in any way with this bad analysis. Its stupid and pointless.

This bad data poster (who I honesty think is the same one clapping almost immediately after she posts) is constantly monitoring any thread that ever mentions Blair and brings in her bad, misleading data. She then immediately starts agreeing with herself and thanking herself. She watches the threads and can never not let the last posts not be her BS. She skates over any question or criticism of Blair and just reposts her same BS. Sometimes she reposts and thanks herself or add nothing more than one word. Just watch, she'll be back repeating her post and congratulating herself again.

I wonder if it ever occurred to her that the OP or OP's kids might not be white or might not be interested in a magnet program. She seems to think that Blair's high drop out rate, low test scores, and other problems are not important as long as less than 5% of the kids can score well on a SAT test.

I don't understand the 100 out of 2800 number that keeps getting mentioned. Saying 100 out of 2800 makes it sound like a really small number, but If the analysis is about SAT scores, then 2800 is irrelevant. 2800 kids at Blair did not take the SAT in one year.
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