Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid

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Anonymous wrote:
Don't think so, the relevant scores are the ones for all the college bound students. Blair is in the top 10 but with out the magnet kids would fall below Watkins Mill and NW.

Poolesville 1337
Whitman 1310
BCC 1258
Churchill 1276
Wootton 1240
WJ 1233
RM 1219
Blair 1174
QO 1163
Watkins Mill 1154 / Northwest 1153

Did you remove the magnet student scores from RM and Poolseville too?

The above scores include the magnet kids for all schools. They are the official published scores not something made up on someone's clipboard cherry picking just a few students to be misleading. I'm surprised at how high Whitman scored. What is even more surprising is that Whitman, BCC, Churchill,WJ and Wootton all feed into the Blair SMACs program so the top STEM students from those clusters are probably in the Blair magnet program yet Blair is still WAY behind them in SAT scores.

Blair whole school SAT score is 1318.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, her post attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences across these schools by simply comparing the largest common cohort performs as a way to see how the schools actually stack up as opposed to which school has the richest or poorest demographic mix.

This goes exactly to the original SAT poster's point that simple averages are misleading and by performing a more granular analysis of a single common cohort we can see how the schools stack up.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088

How is it determined that Blair is the "most diverse" school in Maryland?

Thanks for remembering to include Poolesville. Although it's less than third Blair's size, it houses the other STEM magnet. Your approach is helpful because the schools are demographically very different. Poolesville is very homogenous whereas Blair is the most diverse school in Maryland. This is the best way to get a meaningful comparison between these schools with the data that is available.

I'm pretty sure Blair has been ranked the most diverse in MD by a number of places including Niche.

Diverse and high-performing. Clearly the best of both worlds.

It's amazing that Blair consistently outperforms these schools in any apples to apples comparison.

It’s surprising that Poolesville does so much worse than Blair looking at their largest common cohort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your child is in the Blair magnet or CAP, they will have most of their classes with highly motivated students. I don't get the relevance of the race of those students.

It isn't relevant. In fact, there's been no discussion along those lines. This was about determining a school's merit by factoring for the socioeconomic differences. Most of the metrics put forth here are simple averages which tell us little aside from a neighborhood's overall affluence. The earlier poster was trying to address this by looking at a head to head comparison of how a single large common cohort performs across these schools.

Why are they focusing on white kids?

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Focusing on white and asian student scores is a proxy for how students with very few disadvantages do in these schools

For example, Northwood and Blair have higher scores for these groups than Bethesda Chevy Chase

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Should people focus on how kids who are the same race as their own kids do in different schools?

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Anonymous wrote:Should people focus on how kids who are the same race as their own kids do in different schools?

As an UMC black parent, that’s what I do. I often find that black students do better at more diverse schools in Silver Spring than at more affluent schools in other parts of the county, particularly when looking at access to accelerated and advanced work.

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Just for reference the Blair SMCS kids average SAT score is 1531. Almost half the kids got a perfect Math score.

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Blair's total score is only 1174.

If the SMACs kids are getting 1500+ and I'd hope the 100 CAPs kids did well then how low do the rest of the scores need to be to bring it all down to 1174?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blair's total score is only 1174.

If the SMACs kids are getting 1500+ and I'd hope the 100 CAPs kids did well then how low do the rest of the scores need to be to bring it all down to 1174?

It's actually kind of odd. The stats come up different in different documents. Here are the different Blair documents:

Class of 2018 Profile - https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/BlairProfile.pdf

MBHS At a Glance - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

SMCS Magnet Profile - https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

2018 Class Profile - Average SAT Score - 1318
MBHS At a Glance - Average SAT Score - 1142

Maybe At a Glance takes out Magnet scores? Not sure why they would do that but it seems like the difference is about right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Blair's total score is only 1174.

If the SMACs kids are getting 1500+ and I'd hope the 100 CAPs kids did well then how low do the rest of the scores need to be to bring it all down to 1174?

It's actually kind of odd. The stats come up different in different documents. Here are the different Blair documents:

Class of 2018 Profile - https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/BlairProfile.pdf

MBHS At a Glance - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

SMCS Magnet Profile - https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

2018 Class Profile - Average SAT Score - 1318
MBHS At a Glance - Average SAT Score - 1142

Maybe At a Glance takes out Magnet scores? Not sure why they would do that but it seems like the difference is about right.

Not really - the OP was looking at the largest common cohort in order to isolate for demographic differences. Simply looking at these bulk averages is kind of simple minded since it only tells us about a school's demographic mix, but please try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The OP performed a more nuanced analysis that attempted to isolate for socioeconomic differences to see how these schools stack up.

Their point was that simple averages like the PP posted are meaningless since they mainly tell us about an area's demographic makeup and affluence not how well kids with similar backgrounds perform.

Ultimately some people are interested in meaningful statistics while others will cling to these dated notions from the Jim Crowe era that value segregation.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shared...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

In short, Blair outperforms similar schools in any meaningful comparison.

[Anonymous]

The county's office of accountability seems the most credible since it's published for all schools.

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shared...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The county's office of accountability seems the most credible since it's published for all schools.

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shared...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Try this one,
https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blair's total score is only 1174.

If the SMACs kids are getting 1500+ and I'd hope the 100 CAPs kids did well then how low do the rest of the scores need to be to bring it all down to 1174?

Blair's total score is 1318

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blair's total score is only 1174.

If the SMACs kids are getting 1500+ and I'd hope the 100 CAPs kids did well then how low do the rest of the scores need to be to bring it all down to 1174?

It's actually kind of odd. The stats come up different in different documents. Here are the different Blair documents:

Class of 2018 Profile - https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/BlairProfile.pdf

MBHS At a Glance - https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04757.pdf

SMCS Magnet Profile - https://mbhs.edu/departments/counseling/MagnetProfile.pdf

2018 Class Profile - Average SAT Score - 1318
MBHS At a Glance - Average SAT Score - 1142

Maybe At a Glance takes out Magnet scores? Not sure why they would do that but it seems like the difference is about right.

The lower score may include 11th graders.