Blair pyramid or Kennedy pyramid

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One way to better understand the quality of education of one school or another is to perform more granular apples to apple analysis. Simple averages for standardized state test that GS uses for its ratings only serves to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of affluent kids. A better approach is to look at the granular data. When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools. For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the GS narrative falls apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

This is really helpful. Thanks!

W parents really hate it when the underlying premise for their life choices are exposed as flawed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[

I am happy that you are happy, just know it takes more to make me happy. I would imagine that people at Stuy or Bronx Science would respond with a "isn't Thomas Jefferson in MoCo?, that is a good school!".

Look at those DCC rates, yuck. And people in silver spring think there isn't white flight going on. Look up the levels from 5,10 & 20 years ago, they are sky rocketing. SJWs always say that at a point that high poverty levels in schools affect the whole school, how then say that their snowflakes aren't affected? It is either one or the other at a systemic level

It's hard to know if you're saying yuck about poor people or people who aren't non-white, so ok, let's look at both.

percent white, percent poor for 2018-19; 2013-14; 2008-09

Northwood: 14%, 53%; 15%, 48%; 25%, 31%
Wheaton: 9%; 50%; 8%, 59%; 10%, 53%
Kennedy: <5%, 47%; <5%, 54%; 10%, 42%
Einstein: 21%, 40%; 21%, 42%; 22%, 37%
Blair: 23%, 36%; 23%, 37%; 26%, 31%

Nope - no "sky-rocketing" rates of poor people and people who aren't non-white. Northwood has gotten more poor and less white; Wheaton has stayed the same in poorness and whiteness; Kennedy has stayed the same in poorness and gotten less white; Einstein has stayed the same in poorness and whiteness; Blair has stayed the same in poorness and whiteness.

Now, if what you're really yearning for is the Montgomery County of, I don't know, 1975 - yes, that's gone. You can deal with this fact, or you can shake your fist at it. It's up to you.

Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you care about GS ratings, you aren't going to be interested in either Blair or Kennedy. The schools in what is called the DCC have the worst performance reputation in MCPS. The DCC is different from other areas and has been the number #1 focus of MCPS for improvement for years. This is good and bad. On the good side there is more choice at the high school level and many magnet/special programs to attract UMC/MC to the area. Many of these special programs are only available if you are in the DCC so your kid is not competing against other kids in the county to get in. The schools are not under resourced. On the bad side, the school performance isn't changing or improving. The academic and skill level range is a big problem. Many kids in these areas are 2-3 years behind grade level. MCPS doesn't do tracking until high school so you have one teacher trying to get kids with huge academic deficiencies up to grade level. If your kid is independently motivated and you are willing to heavily supplement at home you'll be fine. Parents of kids that are more easily influenced by their peers or who are smart but not smart enough to get into the gifted program run into problems and get left behind in the slower classes.

While there are several posters who love Silver Spring on this board, Silver Spring is generally not a desirable place to live .Its cheap and that is basically the only draw. Another poster used the saying "People want the Silver Spring price without the price of Silver Spring". Montgomery County does not offer many professional jobs so many commute to DC an/or VA. Its just not practical to commute from SS to VA. Silver Spring used to attract two income families that have commutes into DC and Baltimore or Columbia but now those families are choosing Howard County schools as they've surpassed MCPS. Families with one spouse commuting to VA are choosing VA or the western side of the county where the schools are good.

I'd suggest looking in Howard if you need to be north of the city and looking in the Churchill or Walter Johnson clusters if there might be a possibility that you would work in VA or downtown DC. Churchill is generally known for being super expensive but its fall/winter now. There are always older houses in Potomac that do go in the 700-800K range as retirees just want to sell and move on. You just need to plan to update things over time. These houses are usually nicer and larger than the ones in Blair but not as nice as the new houses up in Poplar Run. The upside to Churchill is that it holds its value if you maintain the house, is far enough away from the bussing fears to avoid that problem and is a super safe no crime area with the best schools in the county.

Silver Spring is generally not a desirable to live to the Klan and its supporters, and closet racists. They are afraid of diversity so they rather move to places where there are less diversity even though none of those places can match Silver Spring schools academic achievements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One way to better understand the quality of education of one school or another is to perform more granular apples to apple analysis. Simple averages for standardized state test that GS uses for its ratings only serves to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of affluent kids. A better approach is to look at the granular data. When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools. For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the GS narrative falls apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

It might help to know how good or bad these mean SAT scores are so you can judge whether the differences in performance are big or small. These scores correspond to the following percentiles for the 2016 SAT exam (which is the one most students in the class of 2017 took per the report cited by the PP).

Blair 1326 (88th percentile)
Walter Johnson 1275 (82nd percentile)
Wooton 1262 (81st percentile)
Churchill 1257 (80th percentile)
Wheaton 1173 (67th percentile)
Einstein 1148 (62nd percentile)
Kennedy 1088 (50th percentile)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

While there are several posters who love Silver Spring on this board, Silver Spring is generally not a desirable place to live .Its cheap and that is basically the only draw. Another poster used the saying "People want the Silver Spring price without the price of Silver Spring". Montgomery County does not offer many professional jobs so many commute to DC an/or VA. Its just not practical to commute from SS to VA. Silver Spring used to attract two income families that have commutes into DC and Baltimore or Columbia but now those families are choosing Howard County schools as they've surpassed MCPS. Families with one spouse commuting to VA are choosing VA or the western side of the county where the schools are good.

Most of eastern Montgomery County is Silver Spring. Lots of people live there. Maybe they're all sitting around every evening thinking, "Boy, I sure do wish that I could live in Bethesda," but I doubt it.

Not every evening, but at least a couple evenings a week. I don't know about you, but think living in a teardown in the Whitman catchment would be pretty nice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While there are several posters who love Silver Spring on this board, Silver Spring is generally not a desirable place to live .Its cheap and that is basically the only draw. Another poster used the saying "People want the Silver Spring price without the price of Silver Spring". Montgomery County does not offer many professional jobs so many commute to DC an/or VA. Its just not practical to commute from SS to VA. Silver Spring used to attract two income families that have commutes into DC and Baltimore or Columbia but now those families are choosing Howard County schools as they've surpassed MCPS. Families with one spouse commuting to VA are choosing VA or the western side of the county where the schools are good.

Most of eastern Montgomery County is Silver Spring. Lots of people live there. Maybe they're all sitting around every evening thinking, "Boy, I sure do wish that I could live in Bethesda," but I doubt it.

Not every evening, but at least a couple evenings a week. I don't know about you, but think living in a teardown in the Whitman catchment would be pretty nice.

LOL! We are very well off and wouldn’t dream of living in the Whitman area.

A nice benefit of Silver Spring is that racists are less likely to live here than in other parts of Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Wait..so if you decide to buy a house in a better performing school cluster outside of Silver Spring then you are a racist. However, if you buy within Silver Spring you must choose Blair over Kennedy because there are fewer black and latino families at Blair than Kennedy? Isn't this VERY hypocritical?

You also should ONLY look at SAT scores for a smaller sampling of white/asian kids at Blair (and just ignore that many come from all over the county including Kennedy). Don't black and latino students who choose to take the SAT and want to go to college count too?

[Anonymous]

Does the SAT scores for whites only poster work in the Blair principal's office? The link provided is an internal memo to high school principals. Very odd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While there are several posters who love Silver Spring on this board, Silver Spring is generally not a desirable place to live .Its cheap and that is basically the only draw. Another poster used the saying "People want the Silver Spring price without the price of Silver Spring". Montgomery County does not offer many professional jobs so many commute to DC an/or VA. Its just not practical to commute from SS to VA. Silver Spring used to attract two income families that have commutes into DC and Baltimore or Columbia but now those families are choosing Howard County schools as they've surpassed MCPS. Families with one spouse commuting to VA are choosing VA or the western side of the county where the schools are good.

Most of eastern Montgomery County is Silver Spring. Lots of people live there. Maybe they're all sitting around every evening thinking, "Boy, I sure do wish that I could live in Bethesda," but I doubt it.

Not every evening, but at least a couple evenings a week. I don't know about you, but think living in a teardown in the Whitman catchment would be pretty nice.

vomit!

[Anonymous]

Blair 1326

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shared...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

So the # you cite above for Blair ONLY includes 110 students? It does not exclude SMACS or CAPS students which pull from all over the county or all throughout the DCC for CAP. I would assume that many of the students in the 110 pool are from those programs. This doesn't make your case that Blair is equal, better, or less than any other school.

Also why are the numbers of students taking the SAT so low throughout all of MCPS? Is SAT no longer required for college admission? Can students take the SAT and not report their scores to MCPS. Seems off that so few students in MCPS are college bound.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does the SAT scores for whites only poster work in the Blair principal's office? The link provided is an internal memo to high school principals. Very odd.

Does this make you angry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One way to better understand the quality of education of one school or another is to perform more granular apples to apple analysis. Simple averages for standardized state test that GS uses for its ratings only serves to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of affluent kids. A better approach is to look at the granular data. When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools. For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the GS narrative falls apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
Kennedy 1088

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

This is really helpful. Thanks!

W parents really hate it when the underlying premise for their life choices are exposed as flawed.

Sad but true...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does the SAT scores for whites only poster work in the Blair principal's office? The link provided is an internal memo to high school principals. Very odd.

Does this make you angry?

Not at all. I found their analysis compelling since it provides an honest measure of how similar groups perform at different schools instead of an average muddied by varying socioeconomic differences.

[Anonymous]

Not at all. I found their analysis compelling since it provides an honest measure of how similar groups perform at different schools instead of an average muddied by varying socioeconomic differences.

Except it doesn't at all. The Blair scores are for only 110 kids out of 2800 and the scores include the magnet kids.

It wouldn't make me angry if an admin from the Blair principal's office was posting on this board sharing internal memos but it would make me concerned about the professionalism of the staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

While there are several posters who love Silver Spring on this board, Silver Spring is generally not a desirable place to live .Its cheap and that is basically the only draw. Another poster used the saying "People want the Silver Spring price without the price of Silver Spring". Montgomery County does not offer many professional jobs so many commute to DC an/or VA. Its just not practical to commute from SS to VA. Silver Spring used to attract two income families that have commutes into DC and Baltimore or Columbia but now those families are choosing Howard County schools as they've surpassed MCPS. Families with one spouse commuting to VA are choosing VA or the western side of the county where the schools are good.

Most of eastern Montgomery County is Silver Spring. Lots of people live there. Maybe they're all sitting around every evening thinking, "Boy, I sure do wish that I could live in Bethesda," but I doubt it.

Not every evening, but at least a couple evenings a week. I don't know about you, but think living in a teardown in the Whitman catchment would be pretty nice.

LOL! We are very well off and wouldn’t dream of living in the Whitman area.

A nice benefit of Silver Spring is that racists are less likely to live here than in other parts of Montgomery County.

Play nice. Just because Silver Spring schools aren't very good doesn't give you license to be loose with your language.