Sharp Objects HBO

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Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

Also rat poison and antifreeze would show up in blood work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Pleading not guilty would imply protecting your child—not really her wheelhouse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

In the credits scene of the killing that took place in the woods the helper girls were wearing coveralls from the pig processing facility.

[Anonymous]

I believe Adora knew about Amma. Recall the scene where Adora threatened to take away the dollhouse if Amma wasn't compliant to taking medicine. Looks were exchanged and emotions re was a mutual understanding. Adora knew exactly how to push Amma's buttons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow - what an ending. I hadn't read the book, so this was all new to me. Let me see if I've got it all straight:

Adora killed Marion (the middle sister) through her Munchausen by proxy. She was also slowly poisoning Amma, and was seen biting baby Amma to make her cry, thus allowing her to pretend she had "another sick baby." (Such a shocking, sick scene.)

Adora tutored the two other girls - Ann Nash and Natalie. She devoted a lot of time to them, and apparently Amma was insanely jealous which led her (Amma) to kill them? What did the teeth represent? Also, Amma's friends helped her kill them?

It's implied that Amma kills her new friend in St. Louis. That girl's mother is looking for her daughter at the end, and Amma had been at the park with her. We also see that girl being assaulted against a chain link fence at the end. Her nails were painted pink - apparently Ann and Natalie both had painted nails too (done after their deaths). What's the deal with the nail polish?

Why would Amma kill her new friend - was she jealous that Camille liked the girl and thought highly of her?

Loved this show - the description said "Season 1". Will there be more seasons? I can't imagine how there could be.

Amma wanted (among other things) perfection. She used the teeth for the floor in Adora’s bathroom, which was made from elephant tusk. Eeeek!
The nail polish is, to me, a sign that these girls were not people to her. They were toys/dolls that she could manipulate and play with. If I remember correctly, they bound and tortured Natalie for a couple of days before killing her.
It was so satisfying to watch the way this played out.

PP here. I understand that she used the teeth in the floor of her dollhouse, to mimic the elephant tusk tile. But I wonder what the actual significance of the teeth pulling was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn't Adora poison Camille when she was a child? Why didn't Camille figure out what Adora was doing to Camille? Why was the step father such a puss? What was the weird relationship between Adora and the sheriff about?

I think the flashbacks showed us that Camille refused to take the "medicine" (poison) Adora was trying to force on her. That's why Adora didn't love Camille - Camille wouldn't allow herself to get sick and "need" Adora's attention. Adora couldn't stand the fact that Camille was so "cold" (her words).

I honestly don't know why Camille didn't do something to help her middle sister - she clearly understood something sinister was going on. She even witnessed Adora biting baby Amma to make her cry. Maybe it was all so traumatic and unbelievable that she simply buried it away in her subconscious.

The stepfather was really unforgiveable. He had to have known what was going on and that Adora was mentally ill.

I think Adora and the Chief had been romantically involved in the past. Not sure if it was ongoing. I want to know who Camille's father was.

I'm also intrigued by Jackie - she clearly knew/suspected what was going on, as she had requested the medical files. But why didn't she ever report her suspicions to the Chief?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

In the credits scene of the killing that took place in the woods the helper girls were wearing coveralls from the pig processing facility.

You would think that after finding the bike in the pig cess pool, that investigators might actually search the pig processing plant—for you know—clues.

how do little Lolita wanna bees traipse into pig processing plant, steal coveralls, then replace them without being noticed by anyone who worked there.

the kid on the bike seemed like a spur of the moment crime given that it wasn’t a bike ride that happened with predictability, eg to and from school.

How did they collect enough blood to plant under weepy boy’s bed without contaminating it with their own dna or particles from the crime scene? Holding down a screaming girl in the woods wouldn’t exactly facilitate this. Plus investigators can tell how old blood is. You’d have to smear it when wet. Even if they had access to the guy’s house that’s a pretty interesting feat. They’d have to do it very quickly after the murder or refrigerate it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn't Adora poison Camille when she was a child? Why didn't Camille figure out what Adora was doing to Camille? Why was the step father such a puss? What was the weird relationship between Adora and the sheriff about?

Adora may have tried to sicken Camille, via spiked milk or whatever, but it was the drawn out “care,” which Camille refused, when the significant poisoning via the blue bottle went down with her sisters. Her mother rejected her because she wouldn’t submit to the “care.”

Camille took a while to figure out what was happening to Amma because she only had her child’s memory of what happened to the other sister. She had no idea that Adora sickened or killed her until she received the folder with medical records and put it all together. She faked her illness at the end, or played it up, because Camille was about to subject Amma to more blue bottle poisoning. Camille took it so Amma wouldn’t have to.

I think that the stepfather was primarily interested in image and as long as the image was good he didn’t really care to examine Adora’s actions too closely. It seemed at the end, when Camille was very sick and he sent help away, that he may actually have been covering for Adora.

I don’t recall what the sheriff and Adora buzz stemmed from. Maybe someone else can chime in.

I think Camille was really smart at the end and deliberately ingested the poison (a lot of it, from what I could tell) so that she would have it in her bloodstream as proof of what Adora was poisoning them with. So she risked her life, but did it deliberately, knowing Adora was the killer but also knowing she was going to have to get evidence.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, it was teeth in the floor. I also thought it was a very abrupt ending.

Questions:

So, did Adora know it was Amma doing the killings? And is just going to go down for them?

did she go down for the girls’ murders? It wasn’t clear whether it was for crimes against her own daughters or the whole shebang. In any case, she pled not guilty. I don’t think she knew it was Amma, but no telling.

I understand how Amma was so messed up - with her mom having munchausens byproxy- it wouldn’t necessarily make someone a murder but for the purpose of the storyline one could argue it made Amma crazy/ dangerous. But that doesn’t give any reason for her friends to be murderers too.

I believe her friends were weak followers of Amma. They held the girls down while Amma did the actual killing.

Was her new friend at the end (the little black girl) shown in any of those quick post credits shots?

The first shot was of the new friend being attacked against a chain link fence.

What was written on the new girls hands at dinner?

Reminders like Call Mom, Text (someone), Read (book), Get Milk, etc.

I had such anxiety when Camille was sleeping with the boy - I knew the cops were on their way including Richard. Did that kill anyone else? I felt so so bad for him.
That was a really wrenching, well acted scene.


I’m so angry that Alan was clearly in on it or at least knew and didn’t do anything. That was obvious right? Or am I stretching?

Blind eye. Refused to acknowledge the obvious.

I thought the stuff on her hand were messages for Camille. She flashed the hand and their eyes locked at dinner.

Spiked Milk was what Audora used at dinner to poison the girls.
Call mom I thought was in reference to her telling Camille to talk to her mom about Amma
The hand thing was significant because there was a long moment from when Camille sees it and locks eyes with the girl

Was it Amma’s Handwriting? I have so many unanswered ?s about that scene

My take is that the new friend idolized Camille. This is what made Amma jealous and later kill her. The friend even mimicked writing on her body (or Camille saw the mundane written messages and thought she might be copying her), which made Camille silently freak out when she saw them. She didn’t want the girl to copy even her self destructive traits.

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I think this too. My theory is that Amma killed girls who took any of Adora's attention away from her - Natalie and Ann were both tutored by Adora. And the new girl was highly thought of by Camille, so Amma is wildly jealous.

I could never read any of the writing on the hands or body, even when I would pause those scenes. It was just too hard to make out - very frustrating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There was a scene with Adora gardening where she has bite marks on her hand.

Who bit Adora? Is this why teeth are pulled out?

Anyone? They were human teeth marks. Was it one of the dead girls that bit Adora and that's why Amma pulled their teeth out?

I wonder if Amma fixated on teeth because Adora had bitten her when she was younger to get her to cry (and appear sick). We see that in one horrifying scene.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

In the credits scene of the killing that took place in the woods the helper girls were wearing coveralls from the pig processing facility.

You would think that after finding the bike in the pig cess pool, that investigators might actually search the pig processing plant—for you know—clues.

how do little Lolita wanna bees traipse into pig processing plant, steal coveralls, then replace them without being noticed by anyone who worked there.

the kid on the bike seemed like a spur of the moment crime given that it wasn’t a bike ride that happened with predictability, eg to and from school.

How did they collect enough blood to plant under weepy boy’s bed without contaminating it with their own dna or particles from the crime scene? Holding down a screaming girl in the woods wouldn’t exactly facilitate this. Plus investigators can tell how old blood is. You’d have to smear it when wet. Even if they had access to the guy’s house that’s a pretty interesting feat. They’d have to do it very quickly after the murder or refrigerate it.

There was a scene that showed that Amma had pretty free reign at her mom’s pig facility. I don’t think getting the coveralls would have been a problem.

Natalie was killed in her brother’s guest house apartment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was a scene with Adora gardening where she has bite marks on her hand.

Who bit Adora? Is this why teeth are pulled out?

Anyone? They were human teeth marks. Was it one of the dead girls that bit Adora and that's why Amma pulled their teeth out?

I don’t remember that. I do remember her injuring her hand while pruning flowers and blaming Camille for it.

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I don't think Adora had teeth marks on her hand - she was cut by the rose thorns.